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P365 Comp Aftermarket Slides... Coming soon.

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#1 ·
When the P365 Spectre Comp's were announced. I knew the aftermarket was also going to pursue the idea. I guess we didn't have to wait long:


I think it's ugly as sin, but it will be interesting to see what others start to come out with too!
 
#4 ·
I'm sure I don't understand the nuances of a compensator, but I don't understand putting a compensator on a micro mini pistol developed for concealed carry. Why not get a bigger pistol or a race gun for competition.

I have the p365xl -- does the standard p365 have that much more recoil?

I'm not trying to be a smarta** here, but I don't get the advantage.

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I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous
 
#9 ·
Compensators are fairly effective. There's already a lot of video reviews/testimonials from multiple shooters' perspectives, and they all come to the same conclusion more or less.

Quantitatively people have measured about a 15% reduction in muzzle flip angle with the Spectre comp vs standard XL, and PMM (comp threaded on barrel) is up to 20-30%.


You can see also all types of shooters (small female to large male) and see the "effectiveness" of the comp in the video. It's noticeable for those that have never shot a comped P365 yet.

Now, would I recommend one for EDC? No (even though I do carry a comp for EDC myself). Like you mentioned, it adds some length, it can reduce reliability, it is louder (more sound is sent towards the shooter), gases are also propelled upwards (eg: bad firing from retention or other similar positions), muzzle flash is much larger and more perceived by the shooter, etc... There are lots of cons for compensating a gun over a "standard" gun. Standard guns work well and are proven and you don't need anything else. Keeping it simple is sometimes the best solution... but double taps are a breeze with a compensator.
 
#6 ·
There's also a Black Nitride option:
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I think Zev might come out with one, I'd be interested to see what they come up with. For me I don't really like window cuts, and especially if they are all around the slide and in sub-sections. Stylistically I'd like to see a format to what Shadow Systems does for their handguns (uni-directional serrations on top and small windows on sides, or no windows at all). Also, no need for those tiny serrations all along the slide next to the slide stop either, but hey we all have different tastes and I respect AC for coming out with one (renders are also one thing vs. finished product in the flesh). Surely others will follow.
 
#8 · (Edited by Moderator)
I get grief all the time over the things I want/buy.
I dont care, I do what I want.
Ive heard my whole life how a fool and his money are soon parted.
Knowing early on I was pretty foolish and having a lifetime of warning I made sure and made lots of it, a workaround so to to speak.
Do I think a comp on a 3 inch gun is silly? Yes I do.
Do I think another man is silly for wanting it? Absolutely not!
Do I tell vendors & members there stuff is [removed] ugly? Absolutely not, shows low class IMO.
If you can afford it, do your own labs and testing. Thats part of the fun. If you cant afford it then it dont matter.
I bought Zaffiris 365 slide as soon as it was released... 3 years ago lol
These slides are nothing new.
I got all the same comments.... its stupid, must be nice to have money to waste etc. :ROFLMAO:
With that being said IMO the AC slide looks better than all of them including my Zaffiri!
If you have questions call Milos at AC and ask them. Nicest guy in the world who has answers and if he dont have them he gets them.
The after sale CS keeps me an AC fan, that and the products are just outstanding!
 
#12 ·
Some people are going to like it, some won't and some will be curious. No wrong answers.
If the Sig XL Comp didn't have gold accents, I would have picked one up as soon as I could have found one. Curious as to how the compensator impacts recovery and felt recoil. Heard good things that have kept my interest.

Always wanted a compensated pistol and while there's larger options, my on/off duty weapons of choice is the P365 family. Makes sense to add to the ecosystem in my pursuit of a compensated pistol. About a year ago, I'd be looking at the P320 line-up for a compensated model.

If a compensated compact pistol isn't your game, no fault in that choice. Just as there's no fault in those who are interested in that option.
 
#14 ·
I EDC mine. It gets full of junk.
I clean it good before range time to keep the grit out of it but of course if I need it I wont care and at the end of the day while not optimal its not the end of the world.
You should see my pistols after coming out of the woods, crossing rivers, climbing trees gutting moose. They clean up alright tho.
 
#19 ·
There's tne point - some don't like the milling, others think it's the latest greatest. It's all in how much visual appeal someone wants to add. AR15's have had their share of this in the last ten years, comp's aren't all that, slots and holes on free floats etc. The ironic part is that on an AR the barrel weight and front sight base are the two major factors in weight and handling, the incremental savings after that is exponentially higher priced for very little benefit. But it looks cool!

One thing with all the ported slides - there isn't any effective weight savings. Most have to keep the factory weight so the cycling functions correctly, a super light slide will start causing overrides and failures to feed. Small guns with short barrels vs cartridge power already have that issue - ie, heavy magazine springs to compensate and making the slide move even faster would be a serious sales negative.

Thats where I don't appreciate the ported slides - they are visually light weight looking, but aren't. It's a visual lie, a subterfuge of styling. For all the work putting those holes in, the cost benefit ratio is looking pretty poor - other than the reduced muzzle flip, which has its associated negative factors, and muzzle flip is a competition timed exercise enhancement, not necessarily a combat improvement. IE more dirt in the gun = more risk of malfunction.

YMMV, and anyone can do as they please. I've found visually tarted up firearms are moving into the realm of art, not tool, and yes, that is certainly in the eye of the beholder. What I see is that those lacking the knowledge of how a firearm is to be used tend to adopt the trends in making them look different, and it's based on social enhancement more often. We can debate how much a race gun can be carried daily, the point being that with concealed carry where nobody can see it, then why play the game? It's the wrong gun for the job, just as a 8 second Super Stock car is the wrong choice to get to work on a frosty January morning. I don't even want to think about using cheater slicks in the snow.

I blame the 1911 race gun shooters for all this - they started the fad of carrying a race setup for personal protection which is the opposite of what should be used, all for the bragging rights. We sure thought they were cool when we saw them in the day, now you can get one like it from the Philippines for $600. All the visual bells and whistles - but its still the choice of ammo and how good you are using it that counts. The gun is just a launching tube for the parts that do the work.

The high mark of combat guns were the ASP and Devel based on the Smith 3 Gens - just like the high water mark of revolvers was the Fitz, which invented the snub nose Detective special. It's a very different genre of carry gun, slimmed, dehorned, and functionally improved. Too many gravitate toward the competition gun, tho, and from there we have accepted the wrong standard for daily carry.
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
Let me say.. as far as dust...I think it will depend on what you do on a EDC basis? do you climb into mud holes,,, then yes it will get dirty...but no more dirty than any other firearm...I EDC a 365xl SC, for the past month now, in the exact same iwb holster i carried my XL in, NO need to clean it yet. xlSC seems to accumulate the same amount of "lint" as the xl.

As far as the concern of "if it ever needs to be fired in close quarters and its louder and it produces some extra muzzle flash or some powder debris"... WELL this is my thought...ANY gun under the wrong circumstances is going to suck to use! so THE WHAT IF stuff is ridiculous in MHOpinion. We cannot control 100% of where we will be forced to fire ANY weapon...
scenario...a bad guy grabs you from behind and you struggle to get your COMPensated pistol out and you have to fire laying on the ground with the gun 18 inches away from your face. you stop him but you singed your beautiful eyelashes. DO YOU REALLY GIVE A SINGLE FLYING [removed] about your eyelashes? YOU ARE ALIVE... NOW you do the same thing with a non compensated pistol except now you have to fire when the gun is only 5 inches from your face...do you really think it won't burn you? ACTUAL SELF DEFENSE is NOT like practice shooting for self defense at the range, you cannot plan it out perfectly, with meticulous stance and form with your earplugs and safety glasses and gloves on.. Bad things can happen with ANY firearm... be aware and use situational awareness FIRST. DO NOT think because you are armed that you are invincible!
There is a video out on youtube that the guys hold a potato different heights above the 365 spectre comp to show the damage... it was VERY minimal until it was almost touching the comp. Of course I can't find the video right now.
 
#24 · (Edited)
Flash is one thing smoke is another. Some places aren’t as well ventilated as an indoor range. In low to no light identification becomes difficult after the first shot and it’s not because of the millisecond flash. If I am out at night I switch my carry to something still small but with a light and a little more capacity-but also without a comp-not because of the flash again but the smoke-obstructing my vision-noise is another issue altogether
 
#25 ·
Smoke is going to come out the end of any barrel, regardless if there is a comp at the end of it.

If you haven't already, watch the video that @9mmbph just posted. James basically debunks many of the "issues" that people say a compensator introduces...and he does it with the Sig P365 Spectre Comp.
 
#28 ·
Fdez Werx:


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#29 ·
Maybe in the far future we'll get to see comps integrated into the barrel rather than the slide to provide further benefits: Less weight on the slide (less reciprocating weight), a non-reciprocating front sight, and a more effective comp (comp is locked onto barrel rather than a moving slide). Obviously cost prohibitive now, but who knows in 20-30 yrs. Maybe we'll even have something like a Laugo Alien micro-compact.

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#30 ·
That FDEZ slide looks WAY better. Unfortunately, at $399 stripped, the Spectre Comp is not looking as ridiculously expensive as it did at first glance.
The FDEZ slide parts kit is $125. Then I would need a barrel, recoil assembly, FCU, sights, and grip module. $$ add up quick. Of course I could get exactly the pats I wanted, no gold barrel, suppressor height sights, maybe a Mischief Machine Omega...
 
#31 ·
I like the FDEZ slide but to get a complete slide assembly (slide, guts and sights) you're looking at $650 plus shipping. While $500 in savings isn't something to laugh at, it's not too far from owning a complete pistol.

I like the FDEZ design a bit better than the AC but, still hoping Sig offers the slide assembly at a decent price or they offer a blingless version that's below $1000. Luckily, it's not something I have to hurry up and pick up.
 
#33 ·
Have any of y'all fired a pistol or rifle with a comp? They make the gun louder than purple and orange plaid golf pants. My S&W 500 Mag has a comp and I need to wear foamies and muffs or it's too painful to fire. This "looks cool", but (to me) P365 muzzle-rise is manageable.
 
#34 ·
Many of us have fired with comps but comparing this to a S&W 500 is a little crazy. A comped 9mm isn't much louder, than a stock 9mm. I'd say it's even "softer" sounding than a .45 and you don't ever hear people saying "don't use a .45 because it's louder and will kill your ears more." It certainly is much more quiet than a rifle or SBR of course, and many people choose those for their home defense setups. Is the increased sound a con? Of course, but it's nothing to be overly concerned about. IMO it's one of the lesser of the many weaknesses of a comp. I would be interested in anyone actually recording the decibel readings to a comped gun over different calibers just for reference though.
 
#40 ·
lol... I love how many different opinions there are on the 365 XL spectre comp...NOT trying to pick any fights here so please don't start in as this is all in observation and pointing out reality. I'm not upset, I'm perfectly calm,,, I just want to expand minds.

First of all, as one of the few people that ACTUALLY have and carry one...for over a month now with 1000 rounds down range. (and someone that has been carrying a conceal firearm for over 30 years)

1. its the SAME size as an xl, in other words its small!
2. "carry" guns of 5 years ago were not NEARLY as capable or as concealable as an XL for those inferring the XL is TOO big or long?!?
3. the muzzle rise of a 365 or 365xl 9mm is manageable, but is there such a thing as too flat or fast? comps work period!
4. EVERYONE from no experience shooters to former spec ops instructors that has fired my 365XL spectre comp has been extremely pleased with how it performs...
5. If anyone really thinks they are going to be in the "perfect isosceles" stance when they need their firearm they are crazy. You will be in a compromised fight for your life, maybe on the ground, maybe wrestling with someone...and if you think you are going to give a single flying fugg about some smoke or muzzle flash or slight muzzle flash burns, you are even crazier!! DO you really think at the moment you need to pull the trigger and take a life that you will be calm enough to decide if you have a good grip or that you have earplugs to put in...

TOO many armchair quarterbacks... be HONEST with yourselves, HOW many of you have ever fired your guns at a moving target (or even a stationary target) from a compromised position WHILE practicing, after running 100 yards full speed on uneven ground?? In other words how many of you go to the range and actually PRACTICE anything other than ... draw, fire two, holster...repeat oh wait this time ill mix it up and shoot 3 shots, 2 at body 1 at head... wheeww!! I really stretched my proficiency today at the range... (i've gone shooting with A lot of guys and this is them practicing...AND I always ask them one simple question... what are you practicing for? practice...so you are practicing how to practice...nice"... life is not a shooting gun competition... you do not get to choose when or if it will happen, I pray I never need to unholster my firearm ever again. It is traumatic, any one that has done so will agree if they have a soul!
 
#42 ·
To be clear, in case any of your comment was partially directed at me - I already own a P365XL that I run with an optic (just to show that I'm no Fudd.... ;)), and it's pretty much my favorite EDC ever. The perfect combination of shootability and concealability, imo. And yes - I regularly practice at several open ranges, working on movement, shooting from compromised positions, etc. I've also trained in dynamic shooting movement with several instructors you may have heard of. Static range shooting quickly bores the heck out of me.

My only previous point is that switching from my current EDC to a "comped" version seems to hold very minimal gain, at best. And really, that would only be if I was shooting higher pressure 9mm defensive ammo, which I don't (yes, I've seen the James Reeves video, the Fieldcraft survival video, etc, etc....). The fact remains that for normal pressure 9mm, any advantage from a comp is going to be very slight.

As for the argument that, "if your life is on the line, you should have every possible advantage you can!" and therefore a comp is potentially going to make the difference on that all-important day, well....that's an endless rabbit hole you can go down to justify all sorts of things. If you feel it truly makes a difference for you, that's great, and you should do it. But it doesn't mean that those who aren't drinking the kool-aid are all a bunch of inexperienced 'armchair quarterbacks.' Believe it or not, there are some very experienced people on this forum.
 
#44 · (Edited)
Okay I wasnt directing anything at you or anyone else in particular. Just what I've read in general about the xl spectre comp... And people complaining about it ... It isn't worth it yet they have NEVER even held one let alone fired it! Trust me the difference in shooting is not MINIMAL AS YOU assume... It is quite significant. I've carried an XL for almost 2 years... Shot the spectre comp and Xl side by side with several different ammunition... It's not Kool aid as you say it's a big boy drink different... It's not 380 flat but it's close... I had 2 fire arm instructors that both shout 365 one an X and the other the xl... They had 4 year old IN a candy store with ice cream grins after firing it... Another was a former GB ranger instructor... He also was very impressed. It's hard to translate the cost difference until you handle this thing...

And I have NO doubt there are far better shooters on this forum than myself... But I happen to have FIRST HAND REAL WORLD experience with THIS gun. How many here can say they have ACTUALLY fired 1000 plus rounds from both the XL AND the XL spectre comp??? Don't knock it till you try it some kids think it's great...
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#45 ·
Shot the spectre comp and Xl side by side with several different ammunition... I
How was the difference with 147 gr? Comps usually work better with hotter loads, I see 124 +P as a favorite with the "Roland Special" crowd, but I am a big fan of 147s, specifically Winchester RA9T.

On the upside, one of the things that intrigues me about the Spectre Comp is that since the comp is not attached to the barrel it doesn't seem like ammo choice would affect functioning, unlike regular comps where some people have to use particular springs to get reliable function with different loads.
 
#46 ·
I could feel the difference all across the board from the snorty 65 grn novx up through the different ball ammo and self defense ammo. in over 1000 rounds i have not had a single misfire or misfeed. I dont know exactly how many loads I've shot but I would be comfortable saying at minimum 6 maybe up to 10. one of my good friends gave me a box of 50 ...some brand he bought that his gun did not like...it cycled them like a sewing machine. lehi defense maybe?

I will admit I did NOT expect the level of difference that it reduced recoil with it being on the slide... SIG claims up to 30%, for me it's hard to put a number on felt recoil...but I would feel comfortable with 20% felt recoil reduction...

If anyone is in the black hills area of South Dakota contact me and you can shoot mine!