[NMGuy]

Sig never made a P227 Legion.

Yup. That’s the point.

 

[JonFrost]

I was making a funny, but in 15 years helping in Shops, I've rarely ran across an HK owner that was not just there to put everything else down. Knew this one dude, His Grandpa invented some sort of under water welding technique or something, and just throws money at the boy. He is like 24, and will only buy H&K, Accuracy International etc. He loves to hang at the shop and rag on Glocks mainly. Rides around in his Lincoln, finding new people to put down, while carrying at least 2 $5k guns with him at all times.

That dude alone, is the reason I wouldn't own an HK if it was given to me, and delivered by the Victoria's Secret models.

This is a silly argument against a gun. If I like Honda's and Snoop dogg drives one and I hate his music, should I then dislike Honda's?? You let the behavior of one person determine what you will or won't try based on their behavior?? If the same guy said he ate prime rib every night and drank your favorite beer would you give those up, too?? Do you really think the gun he owns created his behavior?

 

[FergusandCo]

so glad I bought this 229 SSE

That's really gorgeous.

 

[RetropM]

It is interesting for sure that SIG is whittling down their metal/hammer pistols. I know that plastic/striker guns are all the rage right now but perhaps SIG should look at their biggest competitor, Beretta, because apparently they didn't get that memo. They are cashing in on the good old 92 series in recent years and every new variant they come out with is selling like crazy. I think that when the market changes, you have to adapt, and maybe SIG decided to adapt differently and go all-in on their new thing whereas Beretta decided to stick with what they do best. This could also be why the P320 was a huge hit whereas the Beretta APX isn't doing nearly as well, they decided to focus on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I know if I were to buy a new hammer-fired 9mm pistol it would be HK (Actually purchased 3 in the last year) or Beretta. I like my SIGs in either the .357 SIG or P320 variety, preferably both.

Anyways, just some random thoughts from a guy who has been using a SIG professionally for a while but still loves his German and Italian guns too.

 

[Vincent04]

….
Anyways, just some random thoughts from a guy...but still loves his German and Italian guns too.

Ditto. And owning CZ's adds an all-steel flavor to the mix.

 

[djquik1]

I will be adding a Beretta or two in the next year. But currently funds are tied up on a LS build for a C3 corvette. And 3 kids

 

[ah3]

It is interesting for sure that SIG is whittling down their metal/hammer pistols. I know that plastic/striker guns are all the rage right now but perhaps SIG should look at their biggest competitor, Beretta, because apparently they didn't get that memo. They are cashing in on the good old 92 series in recent years and every new variant they come out with is selling like crazy. I think that when the market changes, you have to adapt, and maybe SIG decided to adapt differently and go all-in on their new thing whereas Beretta decided to stick with what they do best. This could also be why the P320 was a huge hit whereas the Beretta APX isn't doing nearly as well, they decided to focus on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I know if I were to buy a new hammer-fired 9mm pistol it would be HK (Actually purchased 3 in the last year) or Beretta. I like my SIGs in either the .357 SIG or P320 variety, preferably both.

Anyways, just some random thoughts from a guy who has been using a SIG professionally for a while but still loves his German and Italian guns too.

The market has spoken and poly / plastic fantastic striker fired pistols are the current rage over older school metal DA/SA pistols. DA/SA takes discipline, training, and proficiency which let's be honest, a large amount of the general population probably doesn't have. The former are lighter and have one type of consistent trigger pull. To you comment on the APX, Beretta was so late to the polymer striker fired market I'm sure sure why they even bothered. Unless it was already in development and to sell some units to those who will buy anything with a Beretta logo on it. Sig having gone toe to toe with the other big names and winning the MHS competition put them in the drivers seat insofar as they now have buyers getting into the P320 simply because they want to have the same gear our military uses. If you look at how Sig has evolved over the past couple years it's pretty obvious that they iterate fast, not infrequently to the detriment of retail buyers who bought products quickly phased out, but they continue to both develop new high end weapons systems and win military contracts for those systems. Manufacturers only have a finite amount of production capacity and Sig has a lot of contracts to fill. Classic line Sig pistols aren't dead, yet, but it seems pretty logical that they have bigger contracts already in hand to focus on, demand is down for the Classic line, and they can afford to just pare the lineup down to those that are the most profitable. It just is what it is. Regarding your comments about Beretta 92's, do you think it's the same market segment asking themselves if they want to buy a poly striker vs the latest 92 DA/SA? I'd say no and venture to guess many of those buying LTT 92's and 92X's already own some other flavor of Beretta 92 or had previously wanted a 92. Don't get me wrong I love my Beretta 92's and my CZ's and will continue to collect both along with more Classic line Sig's.

 

[mnarcher]

SIG has too many models. In reality the only real difference is the colors. Sig should keep the classic P series with the legion frame. Have frames and slides in stock, and customers could custom order the slide and frame, with Sig having 3-5 color options available, and options of sights. No excess guns to sell off. Factory retail model would be the standard legion frame, and a frame without beavertail. I have watched Sig over the years, the Legion is really the only upgrade, all other new model P series they release is just another color option. That probably is not good for profit. The x5 undercut is the best feature of the Legion. All the other parts can be updated to your own non legion.



Now with Sig going to plastic, it just may be time to start buying 1911s, as parts are always available and accessible. Metal Sig parts are on the way to becoming scarce.



1911 over 100 years and can still get parts, especially from very reputable companies. Classic P series parts are disappearing.



Sad day for us Classic P series fans.

They also need to keep some standard models/colors also, that can be had for slightly less than custom ordering. Not everyone wants to do that. They want to walk in, take what's on the shelf, and then go have fun with it. After owning one of each, or owing the one they like best, then they may want to customize. That, however, will be increasingly expensive, because then Sig has to have all the parts and overhead, and that expense will be passed off to the customer. A $1000 gun will turn into $1500+ in a real hurry.

Times are changing, and I am late to the DA/SA game. Glad I grabbed the ones I did while I could.

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[Apharaoh06]

Not that Sig make all their guns customs. Each P series model is the same frame. Just a matter of not coating some of them. Most likely for a good profit margin, retailers would be ordering specific colors. The Legion features are just right for Sig. Thats all they need, if they want to offer additional colors, or basic night sights is not much customization. I like my Sigs, but the Legion is overpriced. As for the plastic Sigs, they have just become too greedy. I would go for a Glock first before a plastic Sig. The Kimber Man that runs Sig now screwed Kimber in quality, and now doing to Sig. Sig tried to make too many color variations of their line that did not sell well, and were often seen on the market for around $500. Sig has sacrificed quality for profit, not that they are really bad guns or anything, just older quality Sigs were nicer.

 

[mhl6493]

Well dang, I’m just now seeing this. Sad news indeed. I’ve been wanting a p220 in .45 for a while now, but have never picked one up. Looks like I better get the Legion model before even IT disappears...

 

[ETJR]

Striker fired

]Why are they putting all their eggs in striker fired. Just because the military wanted one doesn’t mean everyone does. Many of us like a gun with a hammer

 

[Spreading_SIGness]

I was making a funny, but in 15 years helping in Shops, I've rarely ran across an HK owner that was not just there to put everything else down. Knew this one dude, His Grandpa invented some sort of under water welding technique or something, and just throws money at the boy. He is like 24, and will only buy H&K, Accuracy International etc. He loves to hang at the shop and rag on Glocks mainly. Rides around in his Lincoln, finding new people to put down, while carrying at least 2 $5k guns with him at all times.

That dude alone, is the reason I wouldn't own an HK if it was given to me, and delivered by the Victoria's Secret models.

This is a silly argument against a gun. If I like Honda's and Snoop dogg drives one and I hate his music, should I then dislike Honda's?? You let the behavior of one person determine what you will or won't try based on their behavior?? If the same guy said he ate prime rib every night and drank your favorite beer would you give those up, too?? Do you really think the gun he owns created his behavior?

No sir, but when something has been thrown in your face enough times, you become sick of it. I had an uncle, that was the same way by the .30-06. Any conversation we were having: "If I was hunting a Brown bear, I'd want at least a .338" ...."30-06 is all you need, it will drop in its tracks"...."army doesnt need the M1 Abraham's, just use a 30-06".....

Ok so I embellished it a little, but seriously it was always something about the .30-06. That's why I wont own one, or any cartridge spawned from it. Maybe I am weird, but I will.never give that person a chance to say "I told you so".

 

[wbnash]

]Why are they putting all their eggs in striker fired. Just because the military wanted one doesn’t mean everyone does. Many of us like a gun with a hammer

One hears this a lot, but - respectfully - that does not seem to be the case. Sure, Sig had dumped some slow sellers (225A-1 and 239) and has trimmed some of the different versions of each model.

We still have a large number of all metal handguns available (in some cases the catalog or the site show more - these are the lower numbers of the 2): 210, 220 (2 versions and 2 calibers), 226 (6 versions), 229 (4 versions + the M11), 238 (4 versions), 938 (4 versions) and 1911 (5 versions).

No doubt that Sig is going hard into striker guns, but that is the market now and I cannot fault a company for wanting to stay on top of what a large number of customers seem to want.

 

[Stellite]

Earlier this week Sig had several 220 models listed on the website..Checked today and the only model listed was the 220 Legion.

The nitron version is on the catalog as well. So the question is why is everyone assuming the worst? Has anyone actually heard that the metal sigs would be discontinued? What if they are just simplifying the lines to save money and concentrate on the polymer guns. I certainly don't see the p220 or p226 going away any time soon. The 220 and 226 are still popular guns.

 

[Tshaw1969]

]Why are they putting all their eggs in striker fired. Just because the military wanted one doesn’t mean everyone does. Many of us like a gun with a hammer

I couldn’t agree more!


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[Tshaw1969]

so glad I bought this 229 SSE

Love that gun! You are one fortunate individual!


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[glosser2]

Have to change brands, but to whom?
Glad I bought what I did when I was able.

Smith and Wesson M&P M2.0 pistols are very classic SIG like, polymer frame and striker fired with an excellent grip angle and lower bore axis. Check them out, to me they are what SIG should have created went they went polymer/striker. I've got plenty of German built P226s, a very clean P228 and 1 P220 dating back to early/mid 90s, two P220s from around 2003. Range day I take out the M&Ps, 9mm and 45 they all shoot very well.

 

[hammy5150]

This is a real shame to hear, I delved into 3rd Gen S&Ws but they've been long discontinued so shooting them is an increasingly risky proposition if something breaks. My absolute favorite is an S&W 1006 and I've wanted to pick up a 10mm P220 to accompany it and eventually relegate it to safe queen status but since I'm in California I can only get them (and other Sigs outside of a select few models that are likely to get discontinued or already have been) at incredibly inflated prices. I'd hate to be only able to choose between different flavors of P320 and P365 by the time I get out of here.

 

[Toast_182]

Let’s not all give up on the P220 at once. Just because SIG’s inventory is lacking doesn’t mean it’s obsolete. Has anyone seen an announcement from SIG that specifically says “goodbye P220 and all the other meta frame pistols you love. Hello Striker fire only SIGs” ? I haven’t and I haven’t seen any posts in this thread that actually cite anything concrete. Someone early on hit it right on the head. The P220 put SIG on the map and it’s their legacy/flagship pistol. I HIGHLY doubt they’re getting rid of it altogether. If they switched over to all polymer striker fire guns, that would be a silly marketing move because they wouldn’t be “diversifying their portfolio”. I only have one SIG and it’s a P220. It’s the reason I bought into SIG in the first place and I refuse to believe the sky is falling on the P220 just because their inventory is low. No one has to agree with me but I feel like I’m right on this one.

***I meant to quote Stellite’s post in agreement

 

[Anatolians]

Model Changes and Discontinuation for 2020

This is an invaluable resource. I found it when searching for a specific model.

I was searching for production numbers (which apparently do not exist).

One in particular I was searching for was the P320 .357 which, according to this lineup, is discontinued.

Enjoy!

Sig 2020 New Releases and Discontinued Models