[Harry_Gorilla]

Sad days, indeed. I wish I'd held on to my few 220's / 227's, but my son has no interest in .45. My passion for precision machinery must be a dying desire. It's really hard for me to equate injection molded plastic with precision.

 

[FergusandCo]

If they just keep making few "Parts Kits", and you pull meticulous maintenance on what you have, the ones you have will last quite a while. Likely the reason they aren't selling so well, everyone who likes the model likely has one already...

If they would continue to make parts and magazines for major discontinued models, or make licensing arrangements so that others would make them, they'd probably keep most of us happy.

There are a lot of examples, but for me, the SIG 556 rifle, P250 and P239 are a couple of examples. Ironically, I own all three, and bought each after they were discontinued, because I liked the products. So I can't say SIG pulled the rug out from under me. I knew what I was getting into. Still, the 9mm P239 magazine market has gotten downright ludicrous, and there is money there to be made by SIG. The old saying used to be, if you can't make a dollar, make a dime.

It's not surprising, but SIG management is less nostalgic about some of their classic products than we wish they would be.

If I was the CEO, they would always have at least one basic nitron model of the P220, P225A1, P226, P229, P239, and P250, and maybe just do measured production runs of each, to keep stock at a manageable or subsistence level. Sauer and Son could do occasional runs of folded slide P226's and P228's. One could rightfully argue that they'd be less profitable, but they'd be truer to their roots.

An occasional run of product improved Swiss styled SIG 556 rifles would be nice too, as long as I'm dreaming.

 

[danbrew]

If this doesn't teach you that if you see something you like, grab it, nothing will. There have been a multitude of interesting guns that piqued my curiosity over the years and I just wasn't fast enough to go grab one before they disappeared from the market.

At some point you pass the point of being a gun guy that owns a gun or two. Then you'll start to buy things that you like. Then, maybe, you turn into a collector. Then, maybe (hopefully not) you'll get obsessive about buying stuff...

I think I'm somewhere between the last two, never really sure which way I lean, although I did think about going and buying a 320 X5 Legion yesterday. The only problem? I bought one two weeks ago and I really like it a lot. I was actually thinking about getting another just to have - so much so that I found myself in the gun store fondling one. Yeah, there's something wrong with me, I know.

I continually passed on buying a new, current production Browning Hi Power. I regret that. Yeah, I know, I can find one in the after market. I've got a very nice T-Series with incredibly rich bluing on it that I just don't shoot. And then I've got a couple of the Israeli army trade ins. I shoot the heck out of them. It would just be nice to have a "new" one.

And then there was that Sig 245 I wanted but never seemed to pull the trigger. I see there's a couple on Gunbroker, so I'll think about it. I have a 220 Carry so that reduced the urge for the 245.

Had the same feelings of misgiving for not getting another one of the S&W Night Guards - got a couple of them and wished I had bought the 396 as well.

Anyway, back on the 220. The 220 in .45 was one of my first purchases as an adult - and, at the time, it was the most accurate out of the box gun I had shot. I still keep my eye out for a 220 in 9mm - that would be kind of cool. So, uh, if you don't have a 220 and you want one? I'd grab one. Or two. lol.

 

[Hammer]

My passion for precision machinery must be a dying desire. It's really hard for me to equate injection molded plastic with precision.

Nothing wrong with appreciating talented craftsmanship, by any means.

 

[FergusandCo]

If this doesn't teach you that if you see something you like, grab it, nothing will. There have been a multitude of interesting guns that piqued my curiosity over the years and I just wasn't fast enough to go grab one before they disappeared from the market.

It seems like I tend to jump on a lot of SIG models shortly after they are discontinued. That's when it hits me that they are not long for this Earth. Maybe the "Forbidden Fruit"/"Hard To Get Girl" factor plays into it too. I don't know. Sadly, the secondary market gets most of my money, instead of SIG, so I'm probably part of the problem. I do order parts and Mags from them, though.

Come to think of it, my first two duty pistols were purchased as LEO packages, straight from SIG, but that was 1997 and 1998, in what I think of as the glory days. I also bought a P250 Compact as part of an agency promotional deal in around 2012.

 

[SIG Sauer]

Give me an example of one new metal framed DA/SA .45 that has been introduced in the last 15 years that’s still in production. Like I said no market for them and completely unrelated to the appeal of the 1911.

you said 45 large and heavy

the 1911 is large and heavy 45, this thread is not about 1911s stay on topic

 

[SIG Sauer]

IIRC the 1911 craze began during the Clinton weapons ban when magazine capacity was limited, which made single stack .45 pistols attractive.

Additionally, the 1911 design was in the public domain so anyone who wanted to manufacture an iconic, proven, pistol needed only to go to production without the need to design a firearm of their own, or pay royalties.

1911 sales are way down now and even semi custom premium pistols from Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom, Les Baer, Ed Brown, etc., that folks needed to order and wait months or even years to receive, now languish in gun shop showcases for months or even longer.

The shops I frequent always have a very large selection of the once “unobtainium” premium semi custom 1911s and they’re sitting unsold for a long, long, time.

Folks seem to want inexpensive high cap 9mm plastic striker fired pistols these days.

I know when it began, I know when I began work on our 1911 frame while working on obtaining a manufacturers FFL.

 

[AJD21]

That why everybody and their brother is making a 1911?

you said 45 large and heavy

the 1911 is large and heavy 45, this thread is not about 1911s stay on topic

Oh okay

 

[SIG Sauer]

I do not understand the hate on Sig for being a smart business.

If something is not selling (models or lines) and other lines are selling, you cut those that do not sell to avoid having to add costs arising from more production facilities and resources needed for what does sell.

Even then, the are a lot of Sig all metal guns still out there. 210 (they have given us a very limited, niche market pistol), 220, 226 (4 versions - Legion to basic and Mk 25), 229 (5 models - Legion to basic and M11 - far from going away), 238 (4 models), 1911 (6 models - in a market that is truly saturated with other brands) and 938 (4 models).

Other gun manufacturers have been bought and sold by venture capital firms in the last decade or more and quality has gone down in many cases. Some went into Chapter 11. Sig is flourishing.

I love my all metals Sigs, but also really enjoy shooting their striker pistols.

No one is hating on Sig, we are critical of their decision just as some people are critical of Ford for dropping sedans, its does not make sense it just shows greed. You lose your loyal customers for a customer that may only buy one time or worse, buy only used so you as the manufacturer gain
nothing at all.

I'm buying Sigs because S&W dropped their metal framed hammer autos in favor of poly framed strikers. They lost a ton of sales.

Sig will lose my business, I have no issue buying their expensive pistols, but they are catering to the mid level striker crowd and not making anything I want.So I will now spend my money else where.
We aren't hating on Sig they are hating on us, virtually flipping us off.

H&K and FN make fine arms. For all metal there is Arex and others.

 

[Spreading_SIGness]

I've never owned a 220, but I want the Hunter with kryptec camo. I loves me some 10mm!

 

[Spreading_SIGness]

I do not understand the hate on Sig for being a smart business.

If something is not selling (models or lines) and other lines are selling, you cut those that do not sell to avoid having to add costs arising from more production facilities and resources needed for what does sell.

Even then, the are a lot of Sig all metal guns still out there. 210 (they have given us a very limited, niche market pistol), 220, 226 (4 versions - Legion to basic and Mk 25), 229 (5 models - Legion to basic and M11 - far from going away), 238 (4 models), 1911 (6 models - in a market that is truly saturated with other brands) and 938 (4 models).

Other gun manufacturers have been bought and sold by venture capital firms in the last decade or more and quality has gone down in many cases. Some went into Chapter 11. Sig is flourishing.

I love my all metals Sigs, but also really enjoy shooting their striker pistols.

No one is hating on Sig, we are critical of their decision just as some people are critical of Ford for dropping sedans, its does not make sense it just shows greed. You lose your loyal customers for a customer that may only buy one time or worse, buy only used so you as the manufacturer gain
nothing at all.

I'm buying Sigs because S&W dropped their metal framed hammer autos in favor of poly framed strikers. They lost a ton of sales.

Sig will lose my business, I have no issue buying their expensive pistols, but they are catering to the mid level striker crowd and not making anything I want.So I will now spend my money else where.
We aren't hating on Sig they are hating on us, virtually flipping us off.

H&K and FN make fine arms. For all metal there is Arex and others.

HK is just for self centered, Narcissistic ego monsters.

 

[pt035458]

HK is just for self centered, Narcissistic ego monsters.

With so many all-metal P-series pistols out there some one could start a very lucrative business manufacturing replacement parts. I'm not talking about super struts or straight triggers, just routine maintenance items. P220 parts are drying up. I can't even to find original factory polymer grips that aren't 'slim' or extremely overpriced.

 

[Maicobmw]

I guess you could say I like the P220, with eight in the safe, including three in 9mm. That's twice as many of any other model pistol of any make I own, which I didn't really realize until I did a quick inventory just now. Unfortunately I can see Sig phasing them out sooner or later. I own three polymer Sigs and enjoy shooting them but they have no soul and leave me cold compared to the all metal hammer fired Sigs.

 

[wizzles]

The p220 legion is by far my favorite pistol. The 22lr conversion kit makes it even more fun during range days. I just have to make sure to blast all the crud out after a couple hundred rounds. The single stack DA/SA .45 is great in 'blue' states with mag restrictions. The legion, with it's undercuts and beavertail keep the platform controllable during quick firing. I would love a 9mm RXP conversion kit from Sig with 10rd standard mags.

 

[Tshaw1969]

Dang it! I was striker crazy for a while, but after many years came back to Sig's DA/SA. Dont plan on going back to striker. I was looking at the Legion 10mm at the LGS last night - $1799. The attendant had to pick me up off the floor.

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I was exactly the same, everything I bought was Striker Fire. Then, I decided I really liked using DA/SA fired guns. I had just bought a nice HK last fall and was planning on buying a Sig sometime this summer. But, everything is on hold for me. However, sounds like I may never get to order that DA/SA dream gun from the factory!


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[Armymark]

They discontinued every variant but the Legions.

The P220 DA/SA Legion 10mm is being retained and they are adding a P220 Legion SAO 10mm.

The P220 made SIG. But its days are numbered, as are those of all the metal classics.

I got enough of them!😜

 

[Vincent04]

I just checked the Sig Site.
P220 2 models one in 45 one in 10MM
The P229 Is NO MORE.
The P226 comes in 2 legion models the Mk 25 and Nitro model
P938 down to 4 models
P238 down to 5
There is a few models of the P210
All of the rest of the P2 Series are GONE
Wonder if I will ever get My Sig ALL METAL Collection to an Even Dozen now?
I have 10 NIB and 1 CPO

M11-A1 and Nitron Compact still there..but, yeah, their days may be numbered.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p229/

 

[djquik1]

Sig discontinued 63 skus going into 2020 because of lack of sales. Striker fired is all that is moving right now. P365 and P320’s are selling in a ridiculous amount. The last gun show I worked we sold 12 P320’s and 10 P365’s.


I honestly suspect the P series will be Legions that are sold from here on out moving forward

 

[Spreading_SIGness]

So should I be snagging my 10mm P220 now, or wait? My buddy has a 10mm in his shop for $1200, but it doesn't have the camo.

 

[yellowlt7]

I'm not hating on SIG, I will likely start slowly building up parts kits and possibly a few more Classic P series pistols. I don't mind polymer/striker fired guns, I have a few but I have no interest in any of the SIG polymer models. I do suspect that the models will continue to be reduced, hopefully CZ and Beretta will continue making metal framed, hammer fired guns for the foreseeable future.