The issue is after about 300 rounds, I noticed that the front portion of the slide and guide rod has a little bit of play up and down and a lesser amount of play front to back (the entire slide front to back). It is enough that when you shake the pistol gently you can feel the slide moving. This issue doesn’t seem to affect the function of the pistol so far. In fact it shoots great. But, when I spend $600 on a gun, I expect the tolerances to be a little better than this. I contactedSig, and the customer Service rep had me describe the problem and he said his does the same thing and that it is normal. I have owned 3 to 4 other less expensive pistols, and don’t remember any of them having this type of an issue. They all had a tight lock up when the frame was closed. I am no expert, but I would be curious to know if this might affect accuracy. Has anyone else out there had this issue?
jrswenson06
Mine rattles when there is no magazine installed and I shake it but I can put bullets in bullet holes with the gun. Doesnt affect accuracy at all.
The accuracy comes from the lock up at the lugs and not the slide to frame. While I agree that at first it was disconcerting .. the looser fit will indeed be more reliable.
I have briefly owned a couple of glocks and one of the reasons they are known for always working is because they are fit up LOOSE! everything about it is loose. So no binding, no junk getting in little spaces and mucking up the works.
I have had a couple of high end 1911's that were fit so tight that I had to use lapping compound to break them in and they were wonderful guns .. but they werent combat guns. Were I running into battle with a 1911 .. give me an old rattle bucket that can take getting mud in it and still work
The accuracy comes from the lock up at the lugs and not the slide to frame. While I agree that at first it was disconcerting .. the looser fit will indeed be more reliable.
I have briefly owned a couple of glocks and one of the reasons they are known for always working is because they are fit up LOOSE! everything about it is loose. So no binding, no junk getting in little spaces and mucking up the works.
I have had a couple of high end 1911's that were fit so tight that I had to use lapping compound to break them in and they were wonderful guns .. but they werent combat guns. Were I running into battle with a 1911 .. give me an old rattle bucket that can take getting mud in it and still work
I know apples to oranges here. But my P239 does have a slight rattle if you shake it back and forth. But if you try to wiggle the barrel in the slide, you can't, it's locked in place. Same with the slide, it's where it should be under spring pressure.
I also have seen where some are just noisier than others. I guess if its really loose, well that's another story.
My P239 being my new carry gun, I'm 100% comfortable that's it's not a really tight gun.
They all will loosen with use somewhat. I doubt that you'll experience much if any additional wear / looseness then you have now.
I also have seen where some are just noisier than others. I guess if its really loose, well that's another story.
My P239 being my new carry gun, I'm 100% comfortable that's it's not a really tight gun.
They all will loosen with use somewhat. I doubt that you'll experience much if any additional wear / looseness then you have now.
My P365 has a slightly higher round count than that and has the same 'up and down' play when shaken while exhibiting virtually no play when moved 'side to side'.
Not quite so sure about the guide rod, but perhaps you could convince SIG to send you a new one and see if you get a better fit.
In any case, I'd agree with boriqua that on a SD pistol some slightly looser fit would probably be desirable.
For what it's worth, my Walthers were in the 500-600 dollar range and a couple of them are pretty tight but one in particular is kind of loosey goosey and has an annoying rattle when shaken just like yours. All of them work to perfection, however.
You bought a plastic pistol. You obviously are interested in function over form. Embrace the improved function of your sloppy slide. If you put it in a good holster I'm pretty sure it won't rattle around too much.
Not quite so sure about the guide rod, but perhaps you could convince SIG to send you a new one and see if you get a better fit.
In any case, I'd agree with boriqua that on a SD pistol some slightly looser fit would probably be desirable.
For what it's worth, my Walthers were in the 500-600 dollar range and a couple of them are pretty tight but one in particular is kind of loosey goosey and has an annoying rattle when shaken just like yours. All of them work to perfection, however.
You bought a plastic pistol. You obviously are interested in function over form. Embrace the improved function of your sloppy slide. If you put it in a good holster I'm pretty sure it won't rattle around too much.
With mine I would say “rattle” is probably an over statement. You can definitely still feel and hear it if you shake it gently. I am pretty certain most XL’s and probably the standard versions have a little play like mine after they break in. It’s just annoying, because other smallish pistols I have owned with polymer lowers didn’t do this to the extent where I noticed it.
Hello jrswenson06, my P365 has a 04/20 build date and has the vertical rattle also. As others have posted it's not noticeable with a full mag inserted due to the upward tension on the slide. I measured around .010" vertical play between the frame and slide unloaded.
I brought it back to the shop where purchased and they sent it back to warranty. The tech replaced the FCU and stated the play is within factory spec. When I got it back it felt like about half the play it had prior to sending it in but still had the movement. After a few rounds down range the play is back to about what it was prior to warranty.
I'm happy with the way it shoots and haven't experienced any malfunctions after approx. 300 rounds. Although it would be nice not have as much vertical play/slop, I'm trying to get over it and just use it for what it was intended for.
I do have a hard time figuring out why the play is necessary but apparently most have some, except a few say theirs have none. I guess it's the modular design and just something to get used to however I do feel your pain!
Stay safe everyone!!
I brought it back to the shop where purchased and they sent it back to warranty. The tech replaced the FCU and stated the play is within factory spec. When I got it back it felt like about half the play it had prior to sending it in but still had the movement. After a few rounds down range the play is back to about what it was prior to warranty.
I'm happy with the way it shoots and haven't experienced any malfunctions after approx. 300 rounds. Although it would be nice not have as much vertical play/slop, I'm trying to get over it and just use it for what it was intended for.
I do have a hard time figuring out why the play is necessary but apparently most have some, except a few say theirs have none. I guess it's the modular design and just something to get used to however I do feel your pain!
Stay safe everyone!!
Understand the play does not affect function but did you notice any change in accuracy or POA / POI?
Question on my new P365XL with 140 rounds.
During Dry Practice today, I started to notice an odd "hitch" in the trigger right before the start of the break. When I looked closely, it turned out the slide, all of it, was moving "back" very slightly. In fact, when I looked even closer, it was actually both the slide AND the FCU moving. I could visibly see the rear lower of the FCU under the slide moving. Now, it was not moving much, maybe 0.020" or so, but it was perceptible and repeatable. Did the same thing with an unloaded mag.
I field stripped it, and, using just hand pressure, I verified it is actually the FCU moving slightly forward and back in the grip, which is causing the issue. Anyone see anything remotely like this with an XL?
By comparison, I did the same Dry Press on our P365 (call it 300 rounds through), and did not notice the same movement. The FCU in the P365 did jump slightly in the frame at the break, but there's nothing like the observable movement like in my P365XL. So I'm wondering it if just a case of stacking tolerances in the two components resulting in a little slop.
Not really going to go all OCD on this, it may be just a symptom of the "FCU-inserts-into-the-frame" that these Lego guns use. I will look into this more next time I do some live fire; obviously pressing the trigger to the break with a chambered round to see if the slide moves isn't something I'm going to do at home.
Any thoughts appreciated.
During Dry Practice today, I started to notice an odd "hitch" in the trigger right before the start of the break. When I looked closely, it turned out the slide, all of it, was moving "back" very slightly. In fact, when I looked even closer, it was actually both the slide AND the FCU moving. I could visibly see the rear lower of the FCU under the slide moving. Now, it was not moving much, maybe 0.020" or so, but it was perceptible and repeatable. Did the same thing with an unloaded mag.
I field stripped it, and, using just hand pressure, I verified it is actually the FCU moving slightly forward and back in the grip, which is causing the issue. Anyone see anything remotely like this with an XL?
By comparison, I did the same Dry Press on our P365 (call it 300 rounds through), and did not notice the same movement. The FCU in the P365 did jump slightly in the frame at the break, but there's nothing like the observable movement like in my P365XL. So I'm wondering it if just a case of stacking tolerances in the two components resulting in a little slop.
Not really going to go all OCD on this, it may be just a symptom of the "FCU-inserts-into-the-frame" that these Lego guns use. I will look into this more next time I do some live fire; obviously pressing the trigger to the break with a chambered round to see if the slide moves isn't something I'm going to do at home.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Is not a loose frame, it is actually a loose Fire Control Unit, the problems is inside the polymer hand grip. Seem like the real problem is in the molding of the ABS grip module. Their molds are probably getting worn out and need replaced. If you don't believe me... Remove the slide and try to move the Fire Control Unit, it will be loose and wobbling. NOT THE SLIDE, NOT THE FCU, BUT THE HAND GRIP itself. Replace the handgrip or try to get one from Sig. Sig customer services is like try to touch Trumps hair. Almost impossible. Mine is a P365 X, same problem, i also have a P365, i swap hand grips and now my p365 X is tight. Thats how i knew what the mail problem was. Sorry about my English, no my first language, hope this is helpfull.
Any pistol, given time, will break in and develop a degree of play between the slide and frame rails. My Staccatos have the slightest bit of play, and it's actually a benefit to reliability. But to be fair, any manufacturer can have lemons. My brother's 365XL, for example, had a weird issue where after you dry fired, if you kept the trigger depressed, the whole thing would lock up like a bank vault. Couldn't get the slide to move at all. I think that went away with break-in, but the point is it's possible that yours has an issue. It just doesn't seem like it's the most likely answer.
After 400 rounds my newly purchased P365XL had play between the front of the slide and the lower frame. I sent it back to Sig and they replaced the frame. It was tight for the first 200 rounds and after that it was back to the where you can shake the gun and see the space and hear the clicking. If you grab the front of the slide you can pull it up. This may be acceptable to Sig but I am disappointed with the product. This was not inexpensive handgun. I think next time I'll go with a metal frame.
Just watched this video an they got the same rattle with an aluminum framed P365 AXG Legion. What in the world is going on?
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