Have you been practicing at full speed from concealment?

Having you broken down the draw stroke steps prior to going for a full draw?

Honestly, I would suggest practicing getting a full master grip over and over again. Then, once you are comfortable with getting a handle on the grip, draw from the holster and stop, and start all over again and build up to a full presentation.

 

Yes, used the build upon method from the beginning of practice with the 365.

I'm beginning to think IWB is not the best carry for the 365. I am getting old and slower, but, not that slow.

 

As Tinman517 said, go slow and practice the different steps of the draw. Do not speed up the draw until you can ALWAYS do the steps (get the grip, draw the pistol, present and aim the pistol) with no problems. Once you feel comfortable with the slow draw you can then start to speed up the draw.

Some info from Wyatt Earp:

"The most important lesson I learned was that the winner of a gunplay usually was the man who took his time."

"Take your time -- in a hurry"

"When I say that I learned to take my time in a gunfight, I do not wish to be misunderstood, for the time to be taken was only that split fraction of a second that means the difference between deadly accuracy with a sixgun and a miss."

In other words: Practice, Practice, and then Practice some more.

 

I guess the question I am asking is anyone busting the 2 second mark with IWB on the 365? I admit I can no longer do 2 seconds with my 226, but, still close. I agree on the take your time.

I can be a bit off with grip on my 226 and still blast away. The 365 is not that forgiving of a less than perfect grip.

 

Yes, it's a smaller and less forgiving pistol but it still rocks.

 

For me, at 4 o'clock it works perfectly. But I can understand why it wouldn't at first. I can't do AIWB with any sort of speed.

 

This is what helped me, a lot.
As you start your draw, as your getting your thumb between your body and the gun, rotate your wrist, so your thumb is pointing slightly away from you, as if you're trying to scoop it out. This helps me to get a quicker purchase on the gun. Try it a few times and see if it works for you.

 

I know that a lot of people have mentioned technique but I think that it also comes down to the holster.
If your holster is not allowing for a smooth clean draw you should possibly get another holster.

Most if not all holster manufactures give 30 days or more to return it if your not happy.
There are a lot of P365 holsters available and the numbers growing all the time.
I'm sure that one of them will give you the draw that you want!
It's gotta be the holster because that IS the IWB presentation of the gun.
1000 draws on the wrong holster is just a waste of time.
I wouldn't try it 1000 times..it doesn't take that many bad draws to tell you that it ain't working.
I'd say that if I'm not drawing good after 100 times or at the least showing improvement then I need to try a different solution.

Lastly, if you cannot find a IWB holster that does for you what you want then why not try a OWB holster..it is a small gun after all.

I will keep in mind this post and what you have brought up as I look for my P365 holster.
Knowing that because it's a small gun I shouldn't be afraid to send it back if it's not working for me.

Thanks,

Mackie244 / Bud

 

Thanks to all for the good advice.

No one has actually posted their success with drawing from IWB 3 to 4 o'clock carry. Please do if you carry 3 to 4 IWB.

Myself I have removed the claw and increased ride height of the holster (Vedder IWB LightTuck). Added a 20 degree forward cant, and can finally, consistently get my thumb between my body and gun. Vastly improved draw times, need to get to range and on the timer.

 

Totally understand OP's question. My 365 AIWB draws from a Vedder are still too slow at ~2.5sec vs 2 with 229. Obviously, 229's much larger grip frame is an easier target for my hand that rarely requires a grip shift before present/aim/fire.

Our instructor reminds me that drawing a weapon starts by attacking the holstered pistol. He means, our strong hand should aggressively & forcefully drive down on the grip. We're not reaching for truck keys!

Yeah, these high capacity yet tiny P365s that're easy conceal and great shooters - challenge a quick, no-look draw. My 365 times have improved more with the 12rd mag which I carry, but it's a work in progress...

Cheers

 

Update to my OP.

After an excessive amount of time learning to draw the 365 from deep concealment under 2 seconds, I tried an OWB holster and was able to consistently get first shot on target at 1.3. 700ms is a lifetime, maybe a life.

The 365 conceals well (for me) OWB under a casual button shirt (something my big guns do not). I now carry the 365 at 3 o'clock OWB in safe locals. My 226 still is my choice for urban carry.

Stay safe, carry safe.

 

Update to my OP.

After an excessive amount of time learning to draw the 365 from deep concealment under 2 seconds, I tried an OWB holster and was able to consistently get first shot on target at 1.3. 700ms is a lifetime, maybe a life.

Awesome first shot! I'm far away from that, I usually shoot 8" plates at a minimum of 10 yards obv.

My cold bill drill today was down to a 1.97 first shot, all on 8.5x11 paper. This was with the Light Tuck at AIWB at its highest ride height. Any lower and there's no way getting my fingers around the front strap.

 

What is everyone using to time their first shot and split times? I have been using a pocket pro II.

 

My friends CED 7000 (i think that's the model).

 

For what it's worth, I have found that it is much easier to get a grip on the P365 with the 12 round magazine than the 10 round magazine. I carry at about 8:30 (left hand) and I.m quicker with the 12.

 

I do not have a 12, but, now that I have shifted to OWB, I plan on getting a few. I agree there is not much to grab with the 10 installed. I can shoot most guns well with a 95% purchase, however, for me the 365 offers little forgiveness of grip error.

 

I will say that with my P320 I have the Vedder ComfortTuck Combat Cut IWB holster at 3 to 4 and not appendix.
It has a cant and because of the "Combat Cut" it leaves more of the grip easily available for a good draw.
You can see how the P320 sits in the holster.
My hand can snug right into the curved area under the mag release by the trigger guard.
If my P320 went further into the Kydex my hand would be hitting the leather.
Case in point look at my Shield below at the same spot..

View attachment 255570

Unfortunately Vedder is not making this same holster for the P365 (yet)
If they were I would order it.
I would want my P365 to ride just like my P320 plus it would give me a uniformed conformity for both grips!
Frustrating that they do not make it.

My M&P Shield uses a Aegis Armory Hybrid holster and I am leaning towards ordering it for my P365.
It gives me good access to my Shield but I do like the Combat Cut on the vedder better. (Vedder Better..LOL)
If you look at the trigger to holster ratio the vedder gives more of a open grip grabbing area.
The Shield sits a little deeper into the kydex and the curved area under the trigger guard / Mag release is almost squeezed onto the leather making a full grip tighter.
It's not terrible I would just like it to sit a little higher in the Kydex exposing the trigger guard's groove and yet the trigger would still be fully covered.
Other than that minor beef I really like the Aegis Holster.
I just don't know how the P365 rides in the Kydex.
So I'll try and get a picture before ordering.
Ahh chasing the perfect holster!

I think that the smooth Draw is so much related to the guns presentation to your draw and then getting used to it.
Nothing worse than fighting a holster then again I'm probably just over thinking it..LOL!

View attachment 255578

 

I’m replying more than five years later, so I doubt you’ll see this but – I’m in the same place right now just bought it and did about 30 live draws. avg time from concealment hands at sides 7 y hitting 6 inch circle no buzzer was just over 1.5. As civilian shooters, go, I think I’m considered to have a “fast” draw, but nothing phenomenal. I think the big difference is 12 or 1 o clock appendix carry. Easier to find the grip and easier to quickly build the grip. For other readers out there – appendix is definitely easier with a micro in my opinion.