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P220 being discontinued?

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Earlier this week Sig had several 220 models listed on the website..Checked today and the only model listed was the 220 Legion.
 
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That would be a shame. I really enjoy my 220.

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They discontinued every variant but the Legions.

The P220 DA/SA Legion 10mm is being retained and they are adding a P220 Legion SAO 10mm.

The P220 made SIG. But its days are numbered, as are those of all the metal classics.
 
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After renting and test driving many pistols, my daughter decided that a H&K VP9 worked best for her. She is relatively small in stature like her mother and didn't inherit her daddy's L-XL mitts. The configurable grip was a big factor for her. I bought one for her for her birthday. When we took delivery & I dry fired it I almost vomited a bit in the back of my throat. I'll give the VP9 credit for one of the better striker fired triggers but compared to a hammer pistol with a good trigger it felt like pulling on a rubber band.

Make mine a 1911 or a classic P series.
 
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Maybe they're just purging inventories, as they get ready to release a new flavor of 220 and 226. You think about it, that purple tinted Legion line is getting a bit long in the tooth. I have a lot of Sig's, but zero legions and that's by choice.

They make a black Legion, but it's only for law enforcement and military (as though the color makes it somehow more lethal or something). Maybe they'll release an all new black Legion line, and add a couple of different refinements and options, and market the hell out of it to the general public.

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Bean counters must have control.

The most profit comes from polymer framed and Striker fired. and gov contracts.
Sad day!

Down to 4 238's listed and 4 938's listed and only 1 220 in 45 and 1 in 10mm
 
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I bought my first 220 along about '91, IIRC. Later had an all stainless, a Match, two 9MMs, etc. Never had a problem of any kind with any of them. Hate to see them go, but welcome to the world of relatively inexpensive plastic striker fired high capacity wonder pistols. People want cheap above all else it seems. Hard to compete with that, manufacturing a pistol with a metal frame that has to be machined, finished, etc. Thanks for the heads up. Think I'll just hang on to my last antiquated P220....
 
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If they just keep making few "Parts Kits", and you pull meticulous maintenance on what you have, the ones you have will last quite a while. Likely the reason they aren't selling so well, everyone who likes the model likely has one already...
 
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#42 ·
If they would continue to make parts and magazines for major discontinued models, or make licensing arrangements so that others would make them, they'd probably keep most of us happy.

There are a lot of examples, but for me, the SIG 556 rifle, P250 and P239 are a couple of examples. Ironically, I own all three, and bought each after they were discontinued, because I liked the products. So I can't say SIG pulled the rug out from under me. I knew what I was getting into. Still, the 9mm P239 magazine market has gotten downright ludicrous, and there is money there to be made by SIG. The old saying used to be, if you can't make a dollar, make a dime.

It's not surprising, but SIG management is less nostalgic about some of their classic products than we wish they would be.

If I was the CEO, they would always have at least one basic nitron model of the P220, P225A1, P226, P229, P239, and P250, and maybe just do measured production runs of each, to keep stock at a manageable or subsistence level. Sauer and Son could do occasional runs of folded slide P226's and P228's. One could rightfully argue that they'd be less profitable, but they'd be truer to their roots.

An occasional run of product improved Swiss styled SIG 556 rifles would be nice too, as long as I'm dreaming.
 
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I just checked the Sig Site.
P220 2 models one in 45 one in 10MM
The P229 Is NO MORE.
The P226 comes in 2 legion models the Mk 25 and Nitro model
P938 down to 4 models
P238 down to 5
There is a few models of the P210
All of the rest of the P2 Series are GONE
Wonder if I will ever get My Sig ALL METAL Collection to an Even Dozen now?
I have 10 NIB and 1 CPO
 
#32 ·
It is a sad day. But I can see the current trend is lighter, higher cap, strikers. A compact 320 in .45 might be interesting.

The only markets I see for a full sized, heavy handguns are either in the LEO/MIL markets, or the practical sport shooters.
 
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Personally, I don't understand why some people are so focused on the material that a gun (and really just the frame) is made out of. I'm far more concerned with how the gun performs. And I've seen plenty of all metal guns that perform like ****, and polymer guns that were excellent, as well as vice versa.

Sig classic guns can be great. So can the new wave of Sig polymer guns. The frame material has nothing to do with how the gun does what a gun is supposed to do.

If you can appreciate variety, we live in the best time imaginable.
 
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If you can appreciate variety, we live in the best time imaginable.
I've thought the same thing. I'm pretty entrenched in the metal frame camp for logical to me reasons but to the best of my recollection I've never insulted the polymer side with slurs such as Tupperware. If it's reliable, accurate and works for you that's all that matters.

Market trends will dictate what is made.
 
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The focus on frame material probably has more to do with polymer being less expensive to buy and being lighter in weight for carry. If tomorrow polymer framed guns were priced at $900 a lot less people would be interested in them.

I actually don’t currently own any polymer frame guns currently because I prefer DA/SA and SAO triggers to striker fired.
 
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I do not understand the hate on Sig for being a smart business.

If something is not selling (models or lines) and other lines are selling, you cut those that do not sell to avoid having to add costs arising from more production facilities and resources needed for what does sell.

Even then, the are a lot of Sig all metal guns still out there. 210 (they have given us a very limited, niche market pistol), 220, 226 (4 versions - Legion to basic and Mk 25), 229 (5 models - Legion to basic and M11 - far from going away), 238 (4 models), 1911 (6 models - in a market that is truly saturated with other brands) and 938 (4 models).

Other gun manufacturers have been bought and sold by venture capital firms in the last decade or more and quality has gone down in many cases. Some went into Chapter 11. Sig is flourishing.

I love my all metals Sigs, but also really enjoy shooting their striker pistols.
 
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#49 ·
No one is hating on Sig, we are critical of their decision just as some people are critical of Ford for dropping sedans, its does not make sense it just shows greed. You lose your loyal customers for a customer that may only buy one time or worse, buy only used so you as the manufacturer gain
nothing at all.

I'm buying Sigs because S&W dropped their metal framed hammer autos in favor of poly framed strikers. They lost a ton of sales.

Sig will lose my business, I have no issue buying their expensive pistols, but they are catering to the mid level striker crowd and not making anything I want.So I will now spend my money else where.
We aren't hating on Sig they are hating on us, virtually flipping us off.

H&K and FN make fine arms. For all metal there is Arex and others.
 
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#41 ·
Sad days, indeed. I wish I'd held on to my few 220's / 227's, but my son has no interest in .45. My passion for precision machinery must be a dying desire. It's really hard for me to equate injection molded plastic with precision.
 
#43 ·
If this doesn't teach you that if you see something you like, grab it, nothing will. There have been a multitude of interesting guns that piqued my curiosity over the years and I just wasn't fast enough to go grab one before they disappeared from the market.

At some point you pass the point of being a gun guy that owns a gun or two. Then you'll start to buy things that you like. Then, maybe, you turn into a collector. Then, maybe (hopefully not) you'll get obsessive about buying stuff...

I think I'm somewhere between the last two, never really sure which way I lean, although I did think about going and buying a 320 X5 Legion yesterday. The only problem? I bought one two weeks ago and I really like it a lot. I was actually thinking about getting another just to have - so much so that I found myself in the gun store fondling one. Yeah, there's something wrong with me, I know.

I continually passed on buying a new, current production Browning Hi Power. I regret that. Yeah, I know, I can find one in the after market. I've got a very nice T-Series with incredibly rich bluing on it that I just don't shoot. And then I've got a couple of the Israeli army trade ins. I shoot the heck out of them. It would just be nice to have a "new" one.

And then there was that Sig 245 I wanted but never seemed to pull the trigger. I see there's a couple on Gunbroker, so I'll think about it. I have a 220 Carry so that reduced the urge for the 245.

Had the same feelings of misgiving for not getting another one of the S&W Night Guards - got a couple of them and wished I had bought the 396 as well.

Anyway, back on the 220. The 220 in .45 was one of my first purchases as an adult - and, at the time, it was the most accurate out of the box gun I had shot. I still keep my eye out for a 220 in 9mm - that would be kind of cool. So, uh, if you don't have a 220 and you want one? I'd grab one. Or two. lol.
 
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If this doesn't teach you that if you see something you like, grab it, nothing will. There have been a multitude of interesting guns that piqued my curiosity over the years and I just wasn't fast enough to go grab one before they disappeared from the market.
It seems like I tend to jump on a lot of SIG models shortly after they are discontinued. That's when it hits me that they are not long for this Earth. Maybe the "Forbidden Fruit"/"Hard To Get Girl" factor plays into it too. I don't know. Sadly, the secondary market gets most of my money, instead of SIG, so I'm probably part of the problem. I do order parts and Mags from them, though.

Come to think of it, my first two duty pistols were purchased as LEO packages, straight from SIG, but that was 1997 and 1998, in what I think of as the glory days. I also bought a P250 Compact as part of an agency promotional deal in around 2012.
 
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