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You're probably right about the majority of bullets, but not Frontier as they are absolute top of the line quality.

And they're made in South Africa.
This has allways made me go huh!!!!


Bullets are heavy... how can they be made out of country be shipped here and sold competitively ???
 
This has allways made me go huh!!!!


Bullets are heavy... how can they be made out of country be shipped here and sold competitively ???
I've got a friend who was a dealer for them for years until a Motorcycle accident forced him to stop selling them.

I asked him the same thing and he said he had no idea whatsoever, but he was consistently selling them for around $10.00/1,000 less than X-Treme and Berry's.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Unless I just don't see it,

Doesn't look like they sell reloads and what they have is more expensive than buying Remington locally or even from Sig Sauer direct.
Georgia Arms sells remanufactured and new ammo. When it's new they say so.

Their remanufactured prices are a buck or so less than Remington, and about half the price of SIG ammo, at least what I can find.

Their remanufactured ammo, from the guys I've talked to, are high quality.

If you are talking about reloads made by some guy in his basement, I'd caution you to be careful. They may be fine but they may not be. Everyone wants to make a profit. This can lead to cutting costs on brass, powder, bullets and primers, which doesn't always result in quality ammo.

If you want to pay $6.50 for a box (50) of quality 9mm, 115 gr. jacketed ammo, you probably will need to reload them yourself. This is what it costs me to reload, with quality components. If I was to sell them (which I never would), and lose the brass, I wouldn't sell them for less than $10.
 
I prefer 3.1 g of titegroup under a 147 Precision Delta tcfp. Loaded to 1.130” Will shoot under 1” at 25 yards in the ransom rest Also a 124 PD or Zero jhp c over 3.9g if accurate 2 loaded to 1.060 will also shoot under1” in the ransom. These were shot with Apex barreled M&P’s as well as a Barsto barreled Glock which preferred the 147g load slightly. I will be ransom rest testing my x carry and x5 hopefully this week. Stay tuned
 
This has allways made me go huh!!!!


Bullets are heavy... how can they be made out of country be shipped here and sold competitively ???
uh just watch Machine Gun Preacher, Red Sea diving resort, or Blood Diamond. all true stories. you can sell the minerals you harvest cheap when you kill all the people who inhabit the land.
 
I find the most accurate load I have come up with that consistently works in all my 9mm is:

124 Precision Delta JHP
4.2g Vit N320
Federal Primer
OAL 1.109
Brass Range pick up try to keep like brands together as much as possible

When I can't find Vit N320 I use Winchester 231 same 4.2g

This recipe works very nicely in every 9mm I own I do load to 1.116 for my 9mm 1911 the extra length make feeding flawless in that particular gun. Only red boxes for those loads.

I have tried and am not against any other component but when I found this load it seemed to fit me and the way I shoot very nicely. I will use Bayou plated bullets on occasion and tweak my recipe accordingly I bought 3750 a while ago to give them a try.
I like the guys at Bayou very friendly and knowledgeable. I like PD jacket bullets a little better though. probably just in my head but I take my head where ever I go.....

RCG
 
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I have tried and am not against any other component but when I found this load it seemed to fit me and the way I shoot very nicely. I will use Bayou plated bullets on occasion and tweak my recipe accordingly I bought 3750 a while ago to give them a try.
I like the guys at Bayou very friendly and knowledgeable. I like PD jacket bullets a little better though. probably just in my head but I take my head where ever I go.....

RCG
I do the same thing. When I find a recipe I like, including the powder and bullet, I tend to buy components in bulk and load 'em up by the thousands. I suspect I am not alone in this.
 
Georgia Arms sells remanufactured and new ammo. When it's new they say so.

If you are talking about reloads made by some guy in his basement,..............l. .

Not Me, Not ever! no way.
. If I bought reloads it would have to be from a reputable re-seller and the price would have to be significantly lower than new.

I asked about this because I saw a post somewhere about some company selling them..

- What is your opinion - experience with Steel cased ammo? SiGSauer doesn't recommend it. I have never tried it although I bought a box of Winchester 115 gr a while back but after checking with SigSauer I decided to sell it to my neighbor.

I have heard its dirty and Sig warned about ejection problems. I have been using Remington or SigSauer - Remington mostly at about 8.97 for 50 or 250 for 40 something at Walmart.

A local Range is actually selling 50 round boxes of brass FMJ 1 dollar less than Walmart sells Remington but I don't remember the brand.

I only use 115 gr.

Anyway thanks for the info. Sounds like Shipping costs is going to nullify any savings for re-loads
 
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As I mentioned above, my favorite load for 9MM is 115 gr. plated or jacketed bullet at 1150 fps minimum. I prefer jacketed bullets or thick plated plated bullets.

My favorite powder is Alliant Power Pistol. Loads range from 6.0 to 6.5 depending on whether the bullet is plated or jacketed, and also depending on the bullet diameter.

I'm not sure why Power Pistol seemed to deliver better accuracy than other powders, even when the velocities were comparable. I have noticed that Power Pistol fills the case more so than other powders. I've read that this contributes to accuracy. Don't know if this is the answer but the recipe works well for me.
 
I have shot 124/125 gr LRN for many years and while dirty they functioned well in all my guns. For the past several years I have been shooting the Hi-Tek version and found them to be clean and accurate. They do seem to smoke a bit more than jacketed, but are clean to handle and have a low coefficient of friction.

As far as accuracy goes, I am not a bullseye shooter nor do I bench at 25 yards. However I have found them to do very well at the range. My standard powder is Win 231. I have tried VV N320, but even the max load does not eject reliably in all my guns.
 
Wilson Combat seems to think the most accurate test load is 6.0 gr of Power Pistol under a 125gr Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) bullet. That's what they use with all of their 9mm Pistols.

It is a pretty good load, I'll admit.

James
 
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Wilson Combat seems to think the most accurate test load is 6.0 gr of Power Pistol under a 125gr Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) bullet. That's what they use with all of their 9mm Pistols.

It is a pretty good load, I'll admit.

James
I recently added a P210A to my 9MM pistols. I invested in 500 Hornady 115 gr. HAP bullets and, over 6.5 gr. Power Pistol, the accuracy is outstanding.

I wanted to see what the P210A was capable of.

I'm getting 1" groups at 15 yards off hand. Still working on my 25 yard groups and will be trying 50 yards shortly.

Unfortunately I'm pushing 70 and finding it a challenge doing this pistol + ammo combination justice. But I'll never stop trying.
 
I take a very pragmatic view of what is basically range ammo, and that extends to essentially all that I load. Bullseye works reasonably well for everything; .32ACP, .380, 9mm, .38Sp .45 ACP. An 8lb keg is far cheaper than lesser amounts, and avoids changes of lot, if that sort of thing troubles you.
Brass is a dog's breakfast, and never tracked by firings, a thing that's especially tough with autopistols.
Bullets are 115 FMJ from Everglades; recently I've gone to the domestic ones instead of the (Fillipino?) imports that showed more variation in weight. I've tried plated in .38s and .45s, but they were iffy in 9mm Glocks. This last is just me; guys at our Club have been entirely successful shooting lead in Glocks.
Load is 4.6, which generates 1128'sec, and runs in everything. It shoots at least as straight as I can these days.
BTW, this is a golden age of factory 9mm ammo; spanking new ammo is more expensive than my reloads, but not much. It requires a little looking for best prices, but I'd be leery of reloads, especially those of uncertain provenance.
Moon
 
Hi guys,

Is there a good place to buy 9mm reloaded ammo for my P365? Not going to do any re-loading myself. I have searched but coming up empty, only one I found cost as much as new.

Thanks,,
Go to ammoseek.com
lots of choices,in 1 stop.
those are deals on new ammo.

Reload ammo,you can try freedom munitions but its been 3 years since i have purchased from the.occasionally a bit slow with out of stock items but who isn't.
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
I don't really believe in "plinking" ammo, even when I am only plinking. If it's not accurate, if I can't hit what I'm aiming at, it's not fun.

This goes for handguns as well as ammo. If I can't make a gun accurate, replacing sights, barrels, tweaking reloads, etc., I trade the gun.

To paraphrase Townsend Whelen's famous quote, for me, only accurate handguns are interesting, or fun to shoot.

I see no fun in just blasting away; targets look like they were shot with a Thompson. Might as well be using firecrackers.
 
If you look further down the ammo reloading section you’ll see my write up on ransom rest accuracy results x carry /x5
This will answer your question. The only way to truly test mechanical accuracy is a ransom rest.
You’ll see rite away the Sig 9mm prefer 147g pills . A 147g Zero jhp or a 147 g Precision Delta tcfp over 3.1-3.3 g of titegroup loaded to 1.130”
No crimp sized with an egw undersize die.
Will shoot under 1” at 25 yards in the ransom in all my Sigs . The p320 line has proven to be incredibly accurate from the factory.
 
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