I wouldn’t even try on a 320. Not worth the cash to modify.

Someone will come along and say..yea.. buy a 365... but it won’t be me.

 

Buy a different gun if it don't work for you. You can perhaps trade it at a gunshop.

 

the P365 is too small and it will probably have more felt recoil inspite of the lower bore axes.

 

It boggles my mind that you bought a second, third or however many P320s that you don't like. Why did you buy another one if you don't like the first one? For that matter, didn't you hold the pistol before buying it? How in the heck do you think you could change the bore axis? Please tell me you are kidding! If serious, you probably need to work on your grip, because the P320 in any form but subcompact is a great shooting pistol! YMMV

 

I bought them pretty much all at the same time and sometimes holding a new pistol and the excitement that comes with it, sometimes you can get lost in the emotion of it.

The Glock 26 has less felt recoil and double taps are a lot faster than P320 subcompact. Yes the P320 Subcompact can still shoot pretty well but not as good as the G26. The G26 has other issues like the grip is too thick and I can't reach trigger without rotating my hand which is not good. The G26 only holds 10 rounds where the Sig is 12 , to me that is huge. The finish on the slide on Sig is also way better than Glock's even with their new nitride coating Glock has. Glock uses carbon steel under the tennifer which can rust under the right condititons.

 

Get a Glock [emoji854]. I love Sigs, don't get me wrong but the bore axis on a Glock cannot be beat


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Ah...My Sig P310C beats them both and in fact my CZ P09 is even lower bore axis than P10C. but the P10C Iwould never trust for a duty pistol as it has some bad design flaws that are worse than Sig or Glock. i.e., striker assembly rotates out of position and can prevent slide going into battery. Rear striker plate on some get lose and hang down. reset failures etc.. It's a range toy that's about it.

Glock's one huge advantage is they really do stand behind their product better than Sig, to the point Glock even comped me a brand new pistol which was unbelievable.!

 

couldn't you get a new grip module and increase the undercuts got get your grip up higher? Not sure if you could get as high as you want...but for 40.00 you could try. Just a thought

 

I have a couple of grip modules and I might try that. I may undercut the tang on the frame to see how much I can take off to get the gun to sit lower in my hands. I don't think I can get the grip that low without weakening the frame too much but will give it a try

 

Bore axis is a myth.

Just like Glock reliability.

 

Agreed. I have run firearms training at a large police agency and a couple smaller ones with BYOG firearms policies. Glock reliability is no more or less than any of the other major and a few minor brands. Neither does bore axis seem to matter very much at all. What is more important is that the pistol fits the hand of the owner.

Quite honestly, if you are getting that much muzzle rise out of a 9mm that it's a problem, I'm going to suggest getting a coach rather than a new pistol. This is a technique issue that can be corrected rather than a gun issue.

 

Get a case, 1000 rounds, of ammunition, and shoot it. By the time you're done the "bore axis" problem will be forgotten.

 

Marathonrunner,

I've noticed that you have made several negative posts regarding the P320 in the last few days.

You are in the minority of people that are unhappy with their P320's and perhaps your best option would be to sell the pistols you are unhappy with and move on.

Regarding bore axis heigth;

You mention that you are faster doing double taps with a G26. Can we assume then that you are shooting the pistol competitively and the extra .1 second or so has an effect on how you well you do in the competition?

However, if your purpose for having a pistol is for self defense, your comment about the G26 not fitting your hand properly makes no sense. If a conscience effort is needed when gripping the pistol is required, then in a crisis moment you will either spend extra time getting a proper grip on the pistol slowing the most important first shot, or more likely will grip the pistol as it comes from the holster and miss your assailant with both your first and subsequent shots. The instructors I have had regarding self defense have stressed the statement many times that "You can't miss fast enough".

My suggestion would be to use and train with whatever pistol fits your hand and points naturally the best.

BTW, I have a g26 and have trained with it and with the P320SC. My first and second shot times were not only faster with the P320, but were more accurate. The g26 requires me to reposition my hand during the draw to obtain a natural point of aim. The P320 fits my hand much better and overides the much touted advantage of lower bore axis, especially in 9mm.

 

I bought a used P320C once upon a time, that the previous owner had purchased an extra grip module and tried to do some modifications back around the beavertail. He had quickly worked clear through the material. I don't know if there's enough there to do any modifications.

Have you looked at the XCarry? I think this grip frame has what you are looking for. Extended beavertail, undercut at the trigger guard. Frame is shaped somewhat different, but still feels good in the hand. I think it is supposed to get your hand closer to the bore axis.

I don't know if those frames will become available for purchase, or if they will ever be available in any other size.

 

I must not be sensitive to bore axis.
I have a P320C and my brother has a G19.

I shot them side by side. I would pick up the G19, fire a couple shots. Then do the same for the P320.
I could not tell a difference in recoil/muzzle flip between the two.

 

This thread further validates the P365 and how much a game changer it will be in retail as it's designed from the mag up to be small, shootable yet with capacity. The P320sc wasn't.

The OP is focused on "bore axis" (ugh!) but i'd wager it's a technique & grip issue combined with the often slippery plastic fantastic guns that just don't let you throw on quality G10 grips like a quality metal P series Sig for example.

Finally, if you have difficulty controlling 9mm AND either don't want to improve technique or have physical limitations then just consider .380 or 22LR (over bore axis).

 

This how I lowered mine. Just fire it upside down.

 

I can very much relate to the added muzzle flip that some experience with the P320. I’m not saying it can’t be overcome with proper technique and training, but to say that the whole high bore axis thing is a myth is just not true. It affects everyone differently, but it is real. For me, it made shooting the P320 very frustrating because I could shoot other guns significantly more accurately with significantly less effort.


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That's fair - it was a generalization to make a dramatic point. The more honest statement would have been - bore axis does not affect me of bore axis is a training issue.

Perhaps the fact that 65-70 percent of my range time is dedicated to shooting subcompacts that I notice perceived muzzle rise less. Maybe the extra weight of the Rx negates the muzzle rise. Maybe the reddot allows for faster tracking to make up for lost time with extra muzzle flip? Lots of variables may be affecting perceived muzzle flip. Maybe I just don't notice it because I'm just not a good enough shooter to pick up on subtle nuances. Ill be honest I am just a casual shooter putting approximately 4000 rounds through the barrel in any given year. I am not involved in competitive shooting nor do I routinely time myself. I'm just a guy that likes to punch paper and ring steel and aside from a few profile shot videos for technique review these are all just my perceptions.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

The bore axis **** is highly over rated.If you can't shoot the pistol well you have other issues.

 

I don't even know what bore axis means. Either it fits your hand or doesn't, either you can shoot it accurately or you can't. The former you should be able to figure out before you buy it and the latter after you put a few hundred rounds downrange.

 

Bore axis.............

:facepalm

 

Buy a shot timer and see if the "high " bore axis really matters compared to your glucks or walthers . Might be surprised that its not . After all guys like Max Michel team sig is a world record speed shooter with a p320 !!

 

Maybe the OP should consider sn X-series P320. The grip module is more oriented towards a higher grip and the reduced weight of the slide is noticeable.

Beyond that, a 9mm pistol shouldn't be too much for an average guy to handle.....

 

Since this isn't a competition model, I assume one would purchase it knowing he may one day use it to defend his life. Whether for carry or the nightstand, I can't imagine buying a self-defense pistol without first shooting at least a hundred rounds through it, whether with a buddy's or renting one at the range.

 

I have never liked the grip angle on the Glock, other than that, I have always been a hammer man. My brother is a contractor for the gubment, he has carried a G19 and its variants for 20 years. During the Government trials, he went out and bought a 320c and has since become a fanboy. He can switch between the G19 and 320c with no problem. He will shoot 5 rounds and quick switch guns and still be right on target. He knows the G19 inside and out and he has mastered the 320c POA.

I have been mainly a 1911 guy (my dad shot on the Airforce pistol team) all my life, that said I do own an old P220 and an HK UPSc. I have only ever owned one striker fire gun and that was in 1984, I bought a used VP70z that quickly had issues after about 1,000 rounds. Double action only and it was hit or miss if it would fire with every trigger pull. I have been shooting my brothers 320c and absolutely love the gun. He had an Apex trigger in it before sending it off for the trigger upgrade and it felt good. I liked it so much, to the point I went out and bought a 320c and 320c RX. Hey, I couldn't decide which one and for $1,150 out the door for both, well, you know.

 

For me the feel of the 320 Grip outweighs the high bore axis. I like my G19 also just two different guns. I prefer the grip of the 320 by far.


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