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Is It Loaded?

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#1 ·
In regards to a semi-auto DA/SA pistol only (NOT a revolver), if there are rounds in the magazine, but NO CARTRIDGE IN THE BARREL CHAMBER, is the pistol considered loaded?
This is a serious question and please think carefully before answering.
Thanks in advance for your response.
 
#2 ·
  • Federal Regulations:
    For transportation purposes, the TSA considers a firearm loaded if it has a live round in the chamber or cylinder, or in an inserted magazine.
  • State and Local Laws:
    Definitions can differ by state. For example, Washington state law defines a loaded firearm as having a cartridge in the chamber or a clip locked in the firearm. Some states, like New York, may define a loaded firearm as a firearm that has ammunition in it or one that is possessed with ammunition.
  • Contextual Definitions:
    In New York, possessing an "unloaded" firearm and separately possessing ammunition can also be considered possessing a loaded firearm, due to the ammunition's proximity.
 
#21 ·
Federal interstate transport rules require that the firearm be unloaded (no cartridges present in the firearm) and locked separately from all ammunition, which must be in a separately locked container. You must be traveling from a place where the firearm and ammunition is permitted to be in your possession to a destination where they are permitted.

There can be a conflict between interstate transport rules and state laws.

This still does not help you when moving across a state which has banned specific firearms or classes of firearms. In those cases, if the banned firearm is discovered in your possession, you may be charged under state law.

if you have a concealed carry permit, and it is recognized in the state you're in, you can carry it loaded there.
 
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#22 ·
Firearms related law is layered and complex. Even if you have looked up the statutes involved in any situation, there are still potential issues of interpretation that can be based on a single word.

This complexity is even greater when dealing with multiple adjacent nearby states. You have to consider each state's statutes and layered Federal statutes.

in the layering, state law typically has priority over Federal law unless Federal law specifically preempts state statutes.
 
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#25 ·
in fact, the strategy embraces both deep complexity and extensive delays to any effort that seeks to return things to Constitutionality.

This is why the combined Heller, MacDonald and Bruen Supreme Court decisions are so important. They are necessarily only the start of return to principles.

Until then, we're left with multiple layers of interacting complexity because tyrants corrupt power.

What can we do? First, understand the law and act accordingly. Second, work relentlessly to eliminate infringements.
 
#26 ·
in fact, the strategy embraces both deep complexity and extensive delays to any effort that seeks to return things to Constitutionality.

This is why the combined Heller, MacDonald and Bruen Supreme Court decisions are so important. They are necessarily only the start of return to principles.

Until then, we're left with multiple layers of interacting complexity because tyrants corrupt power.

What can we do? First, understand the law and act accordingly. Second, work relentlessly to eliminate infringements.
Yep. One of the "absolutes" for those bent on destroying a nation is to poison its past in the minds of the people. This includes their history and their most fundamental constructs.