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DA/SA vs SAO for a P229

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#1 ·
I'm considering a P229 Legion. Looking at choices I can't decide on the DA/SA or the SAO version. I've found a good price on a DA/SA version. I have carried 1911s with SAO, cocked and locked. I am not that familiar with the DA/SA concept. It would seem that it would be easier to unholster and fire without disengaging the safety. I would just have to become comfortable with the DA trigger pull for the first shot.

Obviously there is a premium to pay for the Legion. I've also looked at the P229 Nitron which I like, I have a lot of all black. I think that this too is available in a SAO option, but not sure?

I understand that the choice is personal. Please share your thoughts on DA/SA vs SAO.

This would be replacing my Glock Gen4 19 which is my daily carry. I just got a Sig P365 and am very impressed with it. I may be selling my Glock Gen4 19 and 17 if I get the P229.
 
#46 ·
Having experience with 1911s you will have no problem with the SAO. I have the P229 legion DA/SA as my EDC this time of year. I like the double action feature and for as long as the trigger pull is for the first round it's smooth and I find it easy to put the round center mass. I don't want a safety to have to disengage but want a firearm that is safe to carry with a round in the chamber and the DA/SA P229 fits that need.
 
#3 ·
If you are used to the SAO guns such as the 1911.......then a SAO P229 would be perfect for you because its essentially the same battery of arms as a 1911.

As for DA/SA being faster because you just pull the trigger.....that may be true for the average person who may forget to disengage the safety but since you said you are used to the 1911.....it wouldnt make a difference.....as you can disengage it as you come up to target.

The only SAO P229 I know of is the Legion.....I dont believe they made any other P229 models in SAO (Unless there was a very expensive/hard to find special edition over the year I dont know)

If you are going for a carry gun.....you cant go wrong with either. I love 1911s and I love DA/SA guns......Im good with both and Id pick either.

If you are waning to learn the DA/SA transition and experience something new......P229 DA/SA is a great weapon as well.


Whatever you pick....you wont be disappointed! Good luck!
 
#4 ·
Cobra, the P229 DA/SA is equipped with the decocking system that allows you to chamber a round then return the hammer to the uncocked position. In this condition, the only way the firearm will fire is when the trigger is pulled. The DA/SA system is equipped with the short reset trigger SRT so the first trigger pull in decocked mode is a double action pull. All subsequent trigger pulls will be in single action, the hammer will be fully cocked. The difference between the first DA pull and the subsequent SA pull is 2-3 pounds. My 229 is stock, the DA pull is 5.75 pounds and the SA pull is 3.25 pounds which I’m my opinion is prefect for EDC. I’m not sure if this makes any difference but my 229 is the Elite version chambered in .357 Sig. I’ve carried a commander size 1911 SA cocked and locked and never had a accidental fire but in my opinion the Sig DA/SA SRT is the better option. Of course this is just MY OPINION.
 
#31 ·
Would you ever consider an Single Action Only version? My one concern is drawing from concealment, one would be foolish to prep the trigger while pressing out for obvious reasons. Then again a DA on the first pull would probably be too slow. I think for an active shooter situation, one would probably prefer the Single Action Only so you can get maximum distance where the DA would prevent one from engaging targets further than 5ft away
 
#6 · (Edited)
I bought my 229 Legion in SAO and am very happy with it. Phenomenal trigger. And as others have said if you're already accustomed to sweeping the safety off there really would be no transitional training period for you. For me, given that after years and years of DA/SA guns I intended to make the 938 and the 229 my EDCs depending on clothing and weather it made more sense to have them both operate the same way.

They SAO models are very, very nice guns. I'm sure the same can be said for the DA/SA models as well.
 
#7 ·
Great posts above. Just wanted to comment about the trigger. I own a 229 Legion DA/SA and have not fired an SAO model, but I've read many times where SAO owners will claim the trigger is better on those guns. But this seems impossible to quantify. The SAO and SA triggers are all about the same weight of pull, from info posted here, and the SA trigger is very smooth and crisp. So I personally take those claims with a grain of salt. My DA/SA loves to be rapid fired, and it's a wonderfully accurate pistol.

The one advantage I'd give the SAO is the flat trigger out of the box, which I prefer. But that's an easy thing to change out, which I did myself on mine.
 
#8 ·
carrying with a round in the chamber in DA mode is a much much better idea than cocked in SAO mode. Go for as few pounds lighter hammer spring and you first DA shot will be an easy long smooth rolling pull much like a well tuned revolver. That is the way to go. All my Son DA/SA have the same SA pull as my Legion SAO.
 
#9 ·
Actually pretty easy with a DA/SA .229 to just cock the hammer with the thumb of the off hand on the way up while moving the gun into position and voila you have SA. Maybe it's different for me because I grew up with a Stevens single shot 12 gauge bird gun (yeah, that=poor), and then spent lots of time with Colt SAAs.
 
#10 ·
I have three DA pistols; a Dan Wesson 357 revolver, a Beretta 92 that has been heavily reworked by Wilson combat, and an unmodified Legion 229 9mm. I view the trigger of the DW as the best of the lot, but it is a very early production pistol so it was essentially hand made. The Beretta and the 229 are tied. Given the gunsmith bill for the Beretta was a little more than the msrp for the 229, I’d say the 229 is the better of the two from a cost benefit perspective. If you have any interest in a trying a very good DA pistol, the Legion 229 would be a great place to start.
 
#11 ·
Thank you to all for the replies. I have decided to go with the DA/SA version (E29R-9-LEGION). Fortunately my LGS has one and it's priced below the lowest price I've found online. I prefer to buy local and for once they have the best price. This one was built in May 2019.

My decision was based on looking at some pictures (from the rear) of both models and the SAO appears to be significantly wider in the rear because of the ambi safeties. This will be a primary carry gun replacing my Glock Gen4 19 and slim is good. I also like the thought of getting accustomed to the DA/SA trigger. The decocker seems like a good feature. Hopefully this will be a keeper.

Planning to get it this afternoon. :cool:
 
#16 ·
After you get accustomed to the DA tripper pull (and I would suggest you send a lot of rounds down range at different distances to see how you do in DA) consider whether your finger pull strength is both strong and smooth enough to continue to use the stock hammer mainspring. As I recall it is a 21# Wolff spring (but I think some have suggested it is 24#). Anyway, buy a 19# and 18# Wolff mainspring and change out to the 19# and see how that works. They sell a 19#, 18#, 17# combo pack but many folks reporting in SigTalk say they have had light primer strikes with 17#, so most end up using a 18# or 19#. I am using 19# in all my P series Legions as of now and they seem a little better than the stock 21#.

Also, if you have not done so start to research what GrayGuns, The Sig Armorer, Apex, etc. offer in triggers and actions that a Sig Armorer (or you, if you don’t want to risk a warranty fuss with Sig) can install for you.
 
#12 ·
I just bought the Legion SA/DA 229 and absolutely love it. I shot about 200 rounds through it so far and it's functioned flawlessly. I purchased mine local and they had the Legion 226 in SAO. Must say that I had a hard time deciding as that trigger felt great. I only decided because I'm just not comfortable myself carrying a SAO cocked and locked. I wanted to carry this and the 229 was better suited. The trigger on mine is fine; there is much more take up than I thought and I am seriously considering sending it to the SIG armorer for the carry job. I hear tremendous things about his work and I think I'd just love to have it as best as it can be. Anyway, congrats and I think you'll love it! Steve
 
#14 ·
In your specific case I would definitely go with the SAO. I have the 226 Legion SAO and love the trigger (admittedly after sending it to The Sig Armorer). If you carry AIWB then I would go with the DA/SA for the additional safety but its hard to pass up the sweet 229 SAO, I really want to add one some day.
 
#21 ·
The DA/SA version would be my pick. I am an old 1911 user, and I would not choose to carry any SA pistola that did not have a grip safety. I once carried an Austin Behlert-customized BHP/P35 for serious social work for awhile, and there was not a week that went by when I did not find that the ambi. safety had been swiped off by coming in contact with something. I was carrying it in a Roy Baker pancake holster with a thumb snap that covered the firing pin and so the gun would not fire while in the holster, But...

BTW, I have a SAO Legion P226. The single-action trigger on my DA/SA P226 Legion is much better. YMMV.
 
#38 ·
If your used to 1911s then the 229 sao would be a good choice.

The 226 sao models (non legion) can still be found for much cheaper and the ones I had in the past had excellent triggers and nice thumb safety controls.

I do believe that you are stuck with the legion grips if you get a 229 sao though, as I don't believe anyone makes a set. I put hogue piranha g10s on the sao 226s I owned and I can say that those were my favorite grips of all the p series Sig's.

Also, some of the grips that come on the newer sao 226s are made by SCI and they are awesome grips with nice aggressive checkering.

Probably more info on grips than needed, just my observations.

Also trigger wise, from the guns I have shot you will get a reset on the SAO models that is similar to the reset on the da/sa models, in SA mode, when a SRT is installed.
 
#44 ·
I owned a P229 Legion in DA/SA. Now I own a SAO P229 Legion. Why?

My hands are average size (for reference I had a H&K VP9 and the stock grips worked best for me) and getting the DA pull ****** up my accuracy (yeah I know training issue, whatever, spare me). Advantages FOR ME for SAO:

1) Flat faced trigger, far easier for my average hands to reach and pull
2) Consistent pull
3) One trigger system. I'm about the KISS method (keep it simple stupid) and the fewer things I have to remember and train the better I am at the few things I can focus on and train well

One man's opinion
 
#45 ·
I'm seriously considering a P229 SAO.
But, tell me please, how much creep is in that trigger?
I'm guessing as with all Sigs, ( not to include X5/Sport )
theres gonna be some creep, therefore a trip to the Sig Armorer will be required, and thus adding to the price.
Heck, it would prolly be much better to find a good used one if possible.
At any rate, trying to decide between this and the P210 Carry.
Thanx
 
#48 ·
I vote for the DA/SA version. The DA pull can be lightened and smoothed out - and learned. Ditto for the DA to SA transition.
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#49 ·
I own several P229’s, one which is a Legion. I also own a P226, and a P220. All are DA/SA. I grew up shooting/carrying 1911’s. However when the DA/SA wonder nines started hitting the market I switched to them for the extra capacity.

I still like a nice single action trigger and have no qualms carrying one if it also has a grip safety.
I’m really not a fan carrying a striker appendix but to each their own. As for your decision, personally I prefer the classic P series configuration of DA/SA. The Legion trigger pull and reset is especially nice.