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#22 ·
Since we're doing pictures, here's mine. It started out as a 9mm Tacops. Since I have so many .40 rounds, I added a .40 S&W conversion kit and then bought a .357 Sig barrel so it's now three calibers. It has a Grayguns EDC trigger, Sig Armorer Superstrut, Legion slide catch, and Hogue G10 checkered grips.

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#26 ·
As a non LEO, I have no inherent protections for a multiple shot self defense. Any round that offers even the slightest advantage to stop a threat with only one shot fired , is a good thing.The 40 or 357 sig is that round vs a 9. A second shot fired {as a non-LEO or federal agent} can fast be construed as fired in offense rather than defense. My use , on skunk and other unwanted yard intruders. Has shown that the 40 and the 9 are not equal.{even with any advancement in ammo} On skunks I have no reason to have to only shoot once, but for self defense, I do. As people debate the idea that using reloaded ammo, for self defense, is somehow a bad thing in court . {as if you are going to make a 357 sig deadlier because it's a reload, those ridiculous claims are foolish} But any more than one shot to stop a threat can soon go against the self defender. I choose 40
 
#27 ·
I like the .40 S&W since it was my first duty gun issued And I carried a 1995 P229 I still own To this day; I have three other P229’s in .40 S&W. However, the one thing I never cared for in the P226 .40 S&W is that it has the same magazine capacity as P229. Maybe if it had the same magazine capacity as a Glock 22 I would have bought one. I may still buy one because right now they are the only affordable P226’s to be had, and buying a P226 complete slide assembly is very affordable. I have a 1988 West German P226, and a lot of magazines for the model
 
#29 ·
I have posted this before but I will say it again,
The FBI didn't drop the 10mm because it was too scary. They wanted a pistol the same size as 9x19 pistols with better ballistics. 10mm was never a consideration.
As for the current trend in law enforcement, it isn't recoil. It's simple logistics.
Consider the following:
-A fully loaded G17 holds two more rounds than a G22 and yet the G17 is 2oz lighter.
-LE agencies are becoming more military in nature, so it is logical that LE equipment will look more and more like .mil equipment.
-LE now consistently carry rifles in patrol cars. The penetration advantage that 40 has over 9mm becomes irrelevant if a rifle is at hand.
-9x19 has a robust supply chain compared to 40. It will always be more readily available.
-9x19 is cheaper. That reason alone is probably driving LE agencies to switch.
 
#30 ·
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UU serial P226. I also have a 9mm slide/barrel and magazines to change from the original .40 S&W. I standardized my pistols on the .40 round - two Glocks and my P226. I also have a couple 9mm pistols like my P229 Legion and P938 but .40 S&W is my primary caliber.

Recoil on the .40 is snappier than that of either the .45 ACP or 9mm Parabellum. It's a little off-putting to new shooters but I'm a life long shooter and have come to prefer the characteristics of the .40 caliber.
 
#31 ·
ras47 said:
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UU serial P226. I also have a 9mm slide/barrel and magazines to change from the original .40 S&W. I standardized my pistols on the .40 round - two Glocks and my P226. I also have a couple 9mm pistols like my P229 Legion and P938 but .40 S&W is my primary caliber.

Recoil on the .40 is snappier than that of either the .45 ACP or 9mm Parabellum. It's a little off-putting to new shooters but I'm a life long shooter and have come to prefer the characteristics of the .40 caliber.
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Did you get this new or was it a police trade in?
 
Discussion starter · #32 ·
Got it through a gun broker and called Sig with serial# and was told it was a police retired trade in from 2020. I’m guessing it hasn’t had a lot of rounds put through it,but that doesn’t matter.
These are great guns and I would take it over any plastic gun although I do have a Glock20 that is right there with it. I’m a huge fan of the decocker lever.
First shot groups with it were surprising,more time at the range it will get better.
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Discussion starter · #35 ·
Forgot to mention I called Sig and they said it was a police trade-in from LE in the Fairfax,Va area. The bottom of the mag had the LEO’s name on it.
Only additional stuff added were Trijicon HD nite-sights with that nice neon orange front sight.
 
#37 ·
Paul in Nevada said:
I have posted this before but I will say it again,
The FBI didn't drop the 10mm because it was too scary. They wanted a pistol the same size as 9x19 pistols with better ballistics. 10mm was never a consideration.
As for the current trend in law enforcement, it isn't recoil. It's simple logistics.
Consider the following:
-A fully loaded G17 holds two more rounds than a G22 and yet the G17 is 2oz lighter.
-LE agencies are becoming more military in nature, so it is logical that LE equipment will look more and more like .mil equipment.
-LE now consistently carry rifles in patrol cars. The penetration advantage that 40 has over 9mm becomes irrelevant if a rifle is at hand.
-9x19 has a robust supply chain compared to 40. It will always be more readily available.
-9x19 is cheaper. That reason alone is probably driving LE agencies to switch.
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I will say that this is not how I understood the beginning of .40 S&W.

In my understanding, the FBI decided to change to the 10mm after the Miami firefight. Then they found the 10mm in standard loads would penetrate well beyond what police weapons ought to. So they created a 10mm downloaded cartridge for agent use. S&W looked at the new cartridge ballistics and decided they could produce a 10mm round with a much shorter case and fulfil the FBI parameters. The advantage of the .40 S&W cartridge was that it fit into 9mm frames. Since the FBI had been having problems with women agent-candidates qualifying with the relatively large 10mm frame, the change gave them the desired ballistics AND a weapon size the females could actually hold well and shoot. And so we got .40 S&W, a “small frame” 10mm cartridge.

.357 Sig was wholly developed by Sig in hopes of taking some of the.40 market. Street cops who used them loved them. They loved that they got good stopping power and could penetrate many barriers. But overall it didn’t catch on - much. 9mm once again became both the FBI round AND in following, most PD round - because (mostly) money.
 
#40 ·
AzMaz said:
Agree. Nice P226 but…..actually, there tons and tons of used P226 and P229s on the market. Between LE trade
Ins and regular old resales, you can find as many as you want.
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True, in .40. But I’m finding it’s a different story in .357 Sig unless it’s DAK.
 
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