I called my local gun store to inquire whether they had the P365-380 in stock, and they said they did not and that the gun was not super popular because it "was not smaller than the 9mm".
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Niv_PDX
I think the P365-380 is a great little gun, albeit a niche type pistol. For those who have difficulty racking and or managing the recoil of the 9mm version, this definitely fills the gap. I have had the P365, P365X, and the P365XL. While I P365 because it was not optic ready, the other 2 I carry very often. When Sig offered the P365 in 380, I felt it is the prefect gun for my wife who has limited upper body strength. I find it mild to shoot and handles well.
I would imagine the 9mm P365 is more popular.
380' are never a popular as 9mms especially with all the wonder mico 9mms out there now. 380 popularity is starting to slow.
380' are never a popular as 9mms especially with all the wonder mico 9mms out there now. 380 popularity is starting to slow.
Still in the top five of all pistol calibers...
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Top 5 Most Popular Calibers for Handguns :: Guns.com
Guns.com consulted Ammunition To Go to get the low-down on which handgun calibers are crowd favorites and crows pleasers.
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That list is ALL about calibers- not handguns.
The guns in the pics are just examples of a gun that shoots that specific caliber.
The guns in the pics are just examples of a gun that shoots that specific caliber.
Glock still sells the G42 in 380. And the S&W EZ in 380 also seems to be reasonably popular. The P365-380 is competing with those two guns, not the much smaller Ruger LCP style pistols. While many of us gun enthusiasts tend to gravitate towards the smallest gun with the most power there is definitely a place in the market for guns that have less recoil, are easier to rack and are more shootable. Even if they are larger. The "less recoil, easier to rack" style 380s have a lot of fans and for good reasons.
The most power in the smallest gun thing can go to far. Try shooting one of those 12 ounce 357 snubbies S&W makes with hot 357 magnum ammo if you don't believe it. Just because it is possible to make a smaller and lighter 380 doesn't mean it is the best choice for everyone.
I have only shot a LCP once but remember thinking that it was a nasty gun to shoot and hard to hit with. My 9mm P365 is much more shootable. I think Sig made the right choice when it decided to go with a larger but more shootable gun in 380.
For now, those that want a smaller gun can look at the LCP. Not every gun has to come from Sig. But it wouldn't surprise me if Sig does eventually start making a smaller gun in 380 but not label it as a 365 variant to compete in the "small as possible" 380 market.
The most power in the smallest gun thing can go to far. Try shooting one of those 12 ounce 357 snubbies S&W makes with hot 357 magnum ammo if you don't believe it. Just because it is possible to make a smaller and lighter 380 doesn't mean it is the best choice for everyone.
I have only shot a LCP once but remember thinking that it was a nasty gun to shoot and hard to hit with. My 9mm P365 is much more shootable. I think Sig made the right choice when it decided to go with a larger but more shootable gun in 380.
For now, those that want a smaller gun can look at the LCP. Not every gun has to come from Sig. But it wouldn't surprise me if Sig does eventually start making a smaller gun in 380 but not label it as a 365 variant to compete in the "small as possible" 380 market.
Not sure about popularity, I'm sure it's less popular than the 9mm version. I only have a .380 for the size, so I can pocket carry in shorts in the summer. If a .380 is the size of a 9mm pistol, I will choose 9mm every time. Also, every time there is an ammo shortage, .380 is the hardest cartridge to find. Don't need to add that issue into the mix.
Initially, I was disappointed that Sig did not downsize the gun a little. But, in retrospect, I like it the way it is because I can use the "lower" for any P365 configuration I want.
I also think that the P365-380 is the perfect gun for the occasional shooter. Yes, the 9mm version is more powerful, but it can't keep up with the .380 when you run them both side by side using a timer. The 9mm takes much more practice to stay in shape, The person who shoots 100 rounds a year, if that, is going to be better served with the .380. It also is small enough to use as a CCW gun, although it is a bit large for a pocket gun.
Circling back to the original post, the .380 may not be as popular as the 9mm, but the modularity of the platform probably makes it a profitable model for Sig.
I also think that the P365-380 is the perfect gun for the occasional shooter. Yes, the 9mm version is more powerful, but it can't keep up with the .380 when you run them both side by side using a timer. The 9mm takes much more practice to stay in shape, The person who shoots 100 rounds a year, if that, is going to be better served with the .380. It also is small enough to use as a CCW gun, although it is a bit large for a pocket gun.
Circling back to the original post, the .380 may not be as popular as the 9mm, but the modularity of the platform probably makes it a profitable model for Sig.
Yeah....I think the 365 in 380 is the perfect compact carry. If Sig had made it any smaller....it would not be what it is. As it is- it is great. If it were smaller it would be like just another LCP or small pocket gun with a little rougher recoil and a little more difficult to shoot.
IMO......the Sig P36 in 380 is just about perfect. Big enough to hold onto, light enough recoil you can stay on target very easy- nothing out there can compare....except perhaps the 9mm model- but then we are back in the 9's.
I like mine...
IMO......the Sig P36 in 380 is just about perfect. Big enough to hold onto, light enough recoil you can stay on target very easy- nothing out there can compare....except perhaps the 9mm model- but then we are back in the 9's.
I like mine...
I work at a gun store and we're a Master Sig Dealer and we've got a ton of 365 380's in stock both with and without the safety and neither of them sell very well at all. I can't remember if I've ever sold one and they're just not in demand with all of the other 365 choices that we have. But in general 380 isn't very popular with our customers especially now since the rounds cost so much more than 9mm.
Since it is the same size as the 9mm, I don't see the point. However my wife has arthritis and can rack her Glock 42 and not my Glock 43. She has not tried my 365 9mm.
To me it was a natural decision for Sig to make a 380 version. The concept of a modular design allows for easily offering different models without totally re-tooling a line. I still really like my P238; shoots great and very concealable; but it has a limited capacity. In regards to popularity, the 380 is a viable caliber for a lot of people and I think we will see it stay in the line up.
1. Stigma -- the P365/380 is a girl's gun -- girl's and old men. Who wants to admit they a "girl" or old?
2. Sights -- Sig put white 3-dot sights on the P365/380 and not the X-Ray sights on the P365/X/Macro/XL.
3. Ammo -- .380ACP ammo is in short supply and, when found, is quite snappy in the P365/380.
4. Ammo -- .380ACP is more expensive than 9mm ammo
- Getting older is something many guys are ashamed of. Even being "recoil sensitive" is thought to be shameful.
- I find the 380 sights inferior to the 9mm sights AND the sights cost around $100 extra. So, the $550 (LGS price) plus $100 cost of better sight (and the $$ for a gunsmith's installation in my case) please the cost of a P365/380 into the cost of a P365. IMO, Sig made a dumb call on the pricing and the sights.
- Sig's 380 branded ammo is soft shooting ammo; I like it. Who else makes a similar round. I tested several brands and found their retail rounds snappier than I want. IMO, Sig blundered by not releasing a defensive round. When they release their 365 ammo, it was ball ammo and defensive ammo.
- Sig is very proud of their ammo. All of their ammo is overpriced. Fewer people are willing to pay the premium for their 380 ammo when others are cheaper.
Just my thoughts based on shooting both the P365 and the P365/380.
YMMV
PS. I would love to trade one of my P365s for a P365/380 but I can't find anyone locally to do so.
Why are people saying it's not smaller? The grip module is identical to the 9mm (literally the same) but the 380 slide is thinner and shorter than the 9mm slide and weighs slightly less.
The difference isn't very much, but it's a difference. I noticed when I realized that the 380 wasn't locking as tightly in my pocket locker.
If I wear it iwb and it's tight I feel the 380 it's a hair more comfortable to carry.
The difference isn't very much, but it's a difference. I noticed when I realized that the 380 wasn't locking as tightly in my pocket locker.
If I wear it iwb and it's tight I feel the 380 it's a hair more comfortable to carry.
i've handled and shot a club members P365 .380, (and his shield EZ .380 as well) and it is slightly, but noticeably, easier to rack IMO. I have a LCP II, and have shot another club members LCP max. Personally, I do not consider the LCP max and P365 .380 true competitors. The ruger LCP max (and LCP II) is closer to a real pocket gun. And from my experience shooting the rugers and P365 .380 - the LCP's are not fun to shoot at all. Even with the galloway trigger installed in my LCP II, it isn't that much fun to shoot (trigger feels a bit better with less bite, but SNAPPY). I will carry the LCP II on rare true "pocket" occasions, but it's rare where I cant' IWB the P365. If I had to choose a .380, it would be the P365. Just my observations.
My LCP Max was $100 less and weighs 6oz less than the 365 in 380. The LCPs are true ‘pocket guns’ whereas the 365 .380 is not. If I need to wear a gun IWB/AIWB it will be chambered in 9mm (or bigger). The 365 in .380 is a solution in search of a problem IMHO.
It was a serious drift! I did not expect there would be a big demand for a 380 in a 365 but there are indeed some legitimate uses. I am small of stature, weigh 130, the same as hi-school, and age happens to everyone who does not die first, now 83, and many of us have arthritis. I gave my Sigs, 239 and 228 to my kids and bought a 380 EZ. Would rather have had a hammer-fired Sig but could not find one. I bought an LCP 2 in 22, for size, beats nothing. Life's options change with age,
LIke the other recent .380s, the P365 - .380 is oriented towards people who struggle to operate the slide. If my wife carried, it would likely be a P365 - .380 - as she has very small hands, limited strength, and hand/finger arthritis (so I get that). It is also just a little less snappy, again, for those who may be really sensitive to that.
As I've said before, you notice snappy while at the range doing deliberate fire. During any type of class where there is just a bit of pressure to draw, shoot fast, multiple targets etc - you do not even think about snappy (ok, with a .357, or .44 magnum - sure, but...).
As I've said before, you notice snappy while at the range doing deliberate fire. During any type of class where there is just a bit of pressure to draw, shoot fast, multiple targets etc - you do not even think about snappy (ok, with a .357, or .44 magnum - sure, but...).
I guess that I need to throw in my two cents.
First and foremost, I really don't care whether someone else feels that my pistol is popular or not, they aren't the ones shooting it! My concern is that Sig continues to provide product support for what I have!
That said, I won my P365 in 2020, and I fell in love with it. That is currently my primary EDC. However, when I went to Camp Atterbury this past summer to work as an RSO for the NRA National Matches, I gave serious consideration to my security needs. I would be living on post, so supplemental security was not an issue. En route, I dined at Cracker Barrels, which were not targets (yet). Road rage wasn't a consideration, since my pickup was a viable weapon, if needed. I was most vulnerable at the gas pumps. I felt that being cooperative could lull vermin into a false sense of security, especially if I went for my money clip and drew a pistol. That being the strategy, I pocket carried my G42. I have found that I can consistently place my shots (unsupported, either strong or weak handed) with the 380 (9x17).
While doing some cleaning of my P365 (in preparation for the Sig P365 EDC Championship, which I unfortunately missed), I discovered that the G42 and the P365 were the same exact footprint. As a result, I purchased another Vedder Pocket Locker, except this one for a P365 with manual safety. While practicing, I discovered that, while I prefer an MS, it was harder to draw and be ready to fire from the pocket. This made up my mind, while I was at the Sig Academy for the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit, I used my student discount and purchased it for an even 4, without MS!
I know that with the element of surprise, I can empty the magazine (if need be) into a target the size of a "wide open mouth" within bad breath distance, one-handed either strong or weak hand. I don't see the 380 as underpowered, but less likely to over penetrate within bad breath distance.
For other scenarios where I won't be behind the wheel for hours on end, that is when my 9x19 P365 will be in my holster.
First and foremost, I really don't care whether someone else feels that my pistol is popular or not, they aren't the ones shooting it! My concern is that Sig continues to provide product support for what I have!
That said, I won my P365 in 2020, and I fell in love with it. That is currently my primary EDC. However, when I went to Camp Atterbury this past summer to work as an RSO for the NRA National Matches, I gave serious consideration to my security needs. I would be living on post, so supplemental security was not an issue. En route, I dined at Cracker Barrels, which were not targets (yet). Road rage wasn't a consideration, since my pickup was a viable weapon, if needed. I was most vulnerable at the gas pumps. I felt that being cooperative could lull vermin into a false sense of security, especially if I went for my money clip and drew a pistol. That being the strategy, I pocket carried my G42. I have found that I can consistently place my shots (unsupported, either strong or weak handed) with the 380 (9x17).
While doing some cleaning of my P365 (in preparation for the Sig P365 EDC Championship, which I unfortunately missed), I discovered that the G42 and the P365 were the same exact footprint. As a result, I purchased another Vedder Pocket Locker, except this one for a P365 with manual safety. While practicing, I discovered that, while I prefer an MS, it was harder to draw and be ready to fire from the pocket. This made up my mind, while I was at the Sig Academy for the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit, I used my student discount and purchased it for an even 4, without MS!
I know that with the element of surprise, I can empty the magazine (if need be) into a target the size of a "wide open mouth" within bad breath distance, one-handed either strong or weak hand. I don't see the 380 as underpowered, but less likely to over penetrate within bad breath distance.
For other scenarios where I won't be behind the wheel for hours on end, that is when my 9x19 P365 will be in my holster.
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