[cremaley]

I've never really shot a Hellcat but I've held one and dry fired the trigger. Not impressed. I have owned and shot the P365, XL and SAS and there is no comparison in the P365 triggers with the Hellcat in my opinion.

 

[Farmdale]

FN 509 compact!have a 509 compact, an FNs9c and a sig 320xcompact... the 509 and the 320 have red dots on them and won't own another gun without one... its a toss up on what I carry each day... the fns9 doesn't have the red dot but has a great feel and nice trigger, thats why I bought the 509 cut for an optic, so I carry the fns9 in the truck... the 320 is really great and accurate... don't think its much bigger than a 365xl, it only has a 3.6 inch barrel and its deadly... shot a Practical Pistol match with the 320 and won the whole thing... couldn't believe it... I will use both the 320 and the fn in different matches or in the same one and just switch guns... like I said ... a toss up

FN 509 compact!

 

[Farmdale]

Comparing a full framed gun to a micro pistol is apples to oranges. The 509 is basically the size of a G19 P320 compact. A gun like that is going to shoot entirely differently.

Buying an FN is always a gamble too. They like to stop supporting guns with parts and magazines when they decide to discontinue something which seems to happen pretty frequently. They also basically sell their pistols commercially when they can’t win the contract solicitations with it.

measured my 509 to my G19 and the Glock is half an inch taller and half an inch longer, capacity is 15 out of the box verses 12 in the fn plus you can change the back straps if you chose.... and comes with the optics cut and is optic ready for about the same money as the 19... I still like my 509 and fns 9

 

[ralph.mclean]

I've shot both side by side, and my perception was that the 365 was easier on my hand.

And I went back and forth between the two of them several times.

 

[Secondset]

Comparing a full framed gun to a micro pistol is apples to oranges. The 509 is basically the size of a G19 P320 compact. A gun like that is going to shoot entirely differently.

Buying an FN is always a gamble too. They like to stop supporting guns with parts and magazines when they decide to discontinue something which seems to happen pretty frequently. They also basically sell their pistols commercially when they can’t win the contract solicitations with it.

“COMPACT” is not full frame...hence the word compact...

 

[PilatusTurbo]

Took me a bit, years ago, to understand that. G19 is a compact, though, I've been carrying sub-compacts for a while. Now, with the P365s, anything compact size feels HUGE like a G17 or something.

 

[Retiredguns]

I've never really shot a Hellcat but I've held one and dry fired the trigger. Not impressed. I have owned and shot the P365, XL and SAS and there is no comparison in the P365 triggers with the Hellcat in my opinion.

You have "Never really shot a Hellcat", but because you have dry fired it, you are certain it cannot compare to the 365? I HAVE owned and shot both hundreds of times. The trigger on both pistols are of different design, both proven and both completely serviceable. These are micro, high capacity pistols meant to draw and shoot in grave situations. Triggers that work - work.

 

[181810]

A gun like most tools is a sum of its parts. While the 365 trigger may be smoother or lighter, I shoot the Hellcat better because of the increased grip circumference and texture of the grip. What works for someone may not work as well for someone else.

These gun vs gun threads are subjective to the end user.

 

[Lancer L5 AWM]

A gun like most tools is a sum of its parts. While the 365 trigger may be smoother or lighter, I shoot the Hellcat better because of the increased grip circumference and texture of the grip. What works for someone may not work as well for someone else.

These gun vs gun threads are subjective to the end user.

For me, grip circumference and texture are very low on the list because both can be altered so easily.

"Length of front of grip/TG undercut" is higher in importance, as is angle of trigger press (more straight back vs up at a slight angle) Both go to the p365.

I also don't like that the HC's trigger breaks so far to the rear.

Bore axis plays a bigger role in micro pistols.

 

[181810]

For me, grip circumference and texture are very low on the list because both can be altered so easily.

"Length of front of grip/TG undercut" is higher in importance, as is angle of trigger press (more straight back vs up at a slight angle) Both go to the p365.

I also don't like that the HC's trigger breaks so far to the rear.

Bore axis plays a bigger role in micro pistols.

For me, those are huge, especially grip circumference for comfort. Probably why I shoot the MP 2.0 so well, the fit to my hand is perfect and added bonus of an aggressive grip texture. As far as triggers, I can run any trigger once I'm used to it. The HK USP v1 trigger is not great to put it mildly and yet it works great.

Angle of trigger press is one that I thought helped me (as in straight faced triggers/P320 breaking in the vertical) and yes they are more comfortable for me, but that doesn't mean I shoot them any more accurately or quicker.

 

[Retiredguns]

A gun like most tools is a sum of its parts. While the 365 trigger may be smoother or lighter, I shoot the Hellcat better because of the increased grip circumference and texture of the grip. What works for someone may not work as well for someone else.

These gun vs gun threads are subjective to the end user.

Yep. My take is that a trigger on a micro, carry pistol needs to be functional and reliable. These are not match pistols or even pistols that are generally fun to shoot 700rds at the range. My 365 got so hot, I had to be careful.

 

[Lancer L5 AWM]

The trigger fix on the sproingfield heck kitty is an easy one so I don't understand why SA doesn't address it... I know Retiredguns has previously agreed with me on that...

At that same time SA could address the issue of the HC trigger breaking too far to the rear, which is an issue for those of us with big hands...

 

[CZSIG-Vinny]

SA had the luxury of learning from Sig's P365 and Glock's 43/43X; so IMHO there's simply no excuse for putting out a pistol with a trigger that can LOCK UP! Maybe it's an easy fix, but the fact that SA still hasn't addressed it says volumes about the company.

Sadly, it's otherwise a well-built pistol. I had to let mine go as I'm not going to keep a pistol that I can't trust 100%.
Although I'm not a fan of dingus triggers; I've owned Glocks that simply work and don't have this lock-up issue.

I purchased one of the early P365's (April 2018). Sent back to SIG with 50 rounds and they replaced the faulty trigger bar spring (known early issue) and while there SIG put in a new striker assembly gratis. 4,200 rounds now and still running 100%

 

[meltimjas]

I was in the store to buy a Springfield when the guy behind the counter asked me if I'd tried the P365. I had already made up my mind on the Springfield. But as soon as I put the Sig in my hand, it felt great. I hadn't even shot one before, but it just felt better in my hand. All the technical stuff aside, as soon as I got a good grip on it I was sold. After shooting it, it's been my EDC.

 

[Covert_Taco]

I've read quite a few reports that the P365 is a softer shooter than the Hellcat. I'm curious as to why people tend to think this is?

The weight, size and caliber are all pretty much identical. The bore axis isn't different. Just looking for thoughts.

I'm between the P365xl and a Hellcat for an eventual purchase (wanting a factory optic cut). So just wondering if it's worth the extra $120ish difference. (Obviously not an apples to apples comparison because if the size, but this is where I'm at).

I just tested both the 365 and 365XL about 3 weeks ago so here's my $ .02. You'd asked about the Hellcat so to be fair, I did hold and manipulate the Hellcat before choosing to shoot the Sigs, but:
1. For me, the trigger on the Sig felt much better than the Hellcat. End of story. Aside from that fact that the Hellcat didn't fit in my hand was the major factor. However, the deal breaker for me, was the trigger. The Sig's trigger was smoother and crisp.
2. P365/365XL fits my gnomish hands like none other. I love this gun and how I'm able to grip it. Even closing my eye and pointing the gun give me nearly exact point of aim with no effort. NOTE: I grip my guns hard. After 50 rds I found the P365 actually left a sore spot on the palm of my hand where the end of the grip had dug in. Ouch! (it actually bruised later) The XL is non-issue because...
3.The grip on the XL is longer so the grip doesnt' digninto your palm and your pinky won't hang off, regardless if you have a mag inserted or not i.e. your meat hooks will fit on this thing with no struggle.
4. The mag well is slightly flared on the XL which will make for more efficient reloads. Additionally, there's no funky cut out between the grip and the magazine which will inevitably pinch the sh*t out of you when you reload. Personally, after years of dealing with this very issue while shooting my Ruger LC9s Pro, I'm done leaving the range with blood blisters on my inside palm.
5. Maybe one of the biggest pros for this, is that it comes ready for a red dot. The existing sights are really good with the front sight being visible in many lighting cond., but all the rage now are RDS. I looked at the Romeo. Why not, right? Well, research it out and say NO. I did and den, ordered a Holosun 407K for $219 with 10% off - Optics Planet has great price and in stock soonest. Done. It's almost the exact size as the Romeo but all of the critical parts like the hood and lenses are metal and glass, respectively, AND you don't have to remove the sight to replace the battery. SOLD!! This review is really well done:

Good luck, brother! I do hope this is able to shed some light for you and others pondering. I brought it home on Friday but haven't' had time to play with it so gonna end this and head to the man cave to lube my brand new P365XL for the first time. See you all out there. Pray for peace but be prepared. Be safe!

 

[Retiredguns]

Covert, are you saying the grip on the Hellcat was too large for your hands?

 

[Hunt7]

I've never really shot a Hellcat but I've held one and dry fired the trigger. Not impressed. I have owned and shot the P365, XL and SAS and there is no comparison in the P365 triggers with the Hellcat in my opinion.

 

[Hunt7]

Covert, are you saying the grip on the Hellcat was too large for your hands?

I've read quite a few reports that the P365 is a softer shooter than the Hellcat. I'm curious as to why people tend to think this is?

The weight, size and caliber are all pretty much identical. The bore axis isn't different. Just looking for thoughts.

I'm between the P365xl and a Hellcat for an eventual purchase (wanting a factory optic cut). So just wondering if it's worth the extra $120ish difference. (Obviously not an apples to apples comparison because if the size, but this is where I'm at).

 

[Hunt7]

I've read quite a few reports that the P365 is a softer shooter than the Hellcat. I'm curious as to why people tend to think this is?

The weight, size and caliber are all pretty much identical. The bore axis isn't different. Just looking for thoughts.

I'm between the P365xl and a Hellcat for an eventual purchase (wanting a factory optic cut). So just wondering if it's worth the extra $120ish difference. (Obviously not an apples to apples comparison because if the size, but this is where I'm at).

I have access to the Hellcat, p365 and the p365xl. Although this is very subjective, the p365xl is the clear choice for me. In fact, it’s the perfect EDC in my opinion. It is as accurate for me as any full size gun. The Hellcat is a fine pistol though. I have two friends that like them very well. And, they have been flawless.

 

[Retiredguns]

Had the XL existed when I bought my very early 365, I would have likely opted for that model.