[yellowlt7]

To the discussion of metal framed handguns, There demise has been predicted for years yet here we are in 2023 with new manufacturers (Canik) and old manufactures (Smith and Wesson) introducing new products with metal frames. I'm not worried at all, even if SIG stopped making classic P-Series metal framed guns, there are plenty of great manufacturers making incredible products that will be glad to provide for the increasing demand.

 

[Muleman]

I’m not a fan of the striker fired Sigs. I do have only 320 X5 at my bedside. I keep it there since it’s not my first choice ccw. I prefer and have several p227, 226 and 229’s. The aftermarket is a great place to find great deals on slightly used guns. Most have not been fired much.

 

[LARSX]

Sounds good to me. Soon AI robots will be shooting back at you during dynamic range practice. I am interested to see what happens to competitive shooters who move with crab like movements, focus on the flat range and brown targets.

 

[dmacc3]

IMHO, Sig quit manufacturing pistols a few years ago when the German Mastershop was closed.

 

[DrusTheAxe]

I'd rather see robot 'fatalities' on the battlefield than our servicemen and women.

War has been headed in this direction for a while now, and there are already lots of prototypes being tested (if not quietly employed) in various operating spaces. I always find it kinda funny that we, as civilians, focus so much on things like handgun choices in the military - this is largely just a hip accessory, and not where the real focus is at all.

Why send your people into a building with small arms and risk casualties, when you can just send a swarm of networked micro-drones instead?

Bah. 'Progress'. Cowards fight with firearms at a distance. True warriors put a knife in you, as our ancestors intended! /s

Robotics is just another step in the technological evolutionary path of warfare. And their use in manufacturing, logistics and back-end force multipliers lets you field a more effective fighting force more quickly and with fewer people. No surprise here. Looks like a smart investment on Sig's part.

 

[mrerick]

Some companies are driven by their Marketing Department...

Some are driven by Engineering...

Some thrive on Technology and Innovation...

All must make a profit, and do so to keep their owners satisfied.

Who owns SIG? Like many European firearms companies, it's a quietly held conglomerate.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_%26_O_Holding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer

As a privately held company, you're not likely to hear much about how SIG is managed, but rest assured that they know how to make a decision, and their experience informs how they structure and run the company for profit. As long as there is a civilian marketplace for firearms, companies like SIG will serve it. Multiple divisions of a conglomerate like SIG will help make each other efficient and that should ultimately benefit the civilian firearms market.

 

[Sig-Pile]

For a company that depends heavily on military contracts buying a Robotics and remote weapons systems company is a smart move. The future of mechanized warfare will be remotely operated land, sea, and air machines that make no concessions to protecting a human inside.

Whether you like the gun or not the P365 is the clearest indicator that SIG continues to value the civilian market. It's not a scaled-down 320. It's a completely unique design based on similar principles that has almost zero military and police marketability. I really like some of SIG's 40-year-old designs. I expect those will stay in production exactly as long as people, including military purchasers, keep buying them.

 

[IngramTx]

Over last Christmas holiday I walked into an unfamiliar gun store to do a little window shopping. Low and behold I found a like new P239 that the clerk told me had been for sale for months....and I was the first one who even asked to see it.

We get so focused on our aspect of this great hobby that we lose sight of the fact that no one wants metal frame, low capacity, single stack firearms anymore. I shot them a low ball offer that they jumped on. The guy told me that plastic guns sold as fast as they came in.

Revolvers are sort of in the same category. If you are a collector or an old guy like me....otherwise? Who would pick a gun with only 5 or 6 round capacity? Duh.

Classic P series firearms are beautiful pistols and they will be beautiful pistols a hundred years from now. What about spare parts or broken part replacement? As a guy who lived through a shortage of 9mm magazine shortage on the P239, I paid the price until I got sick of the price.

 

[Robert70]

Sig, like any major Stateside company, will eventually go woke. As the boardroom gets younger (woker), choices for older, more traditional customers will get scarcer. That Sig has made a major push, to gain traction within the establishment government procurement process, will even lead to some moves, that aren’t necessarily the best business model, but will satisfy the overlords.

Remember, any business‘s main purpose, is to make a profit. Satisfying customer desires, is only important as a means to retain the customer base. If you aren’t the customer base, you aren’t important. 🤷‍♂️

I like that word 'woker', similar to worker, minus the sweat of a real job!

 

[twist]

Cool, someday we'll be able to buy a Sig Robotic AI based Home Defense System. j/k. That gives me a Terminator vibe.

 

[Sig-Pile]

Cool, someday we'll be able to buy a Sig Robotic AI based Home Defense System. j/k. That gives me a Terminator vibe.

"Hello SIG Customer service? If I install an aftermarket Flamethrower module on my SIG HOMEDEFENDER3000, does that void the warranty?"

 

[kyjd75]

Or they intend to no longer employ Americans.

Sig currently employs more than 3,000 American employees.

 

[kyjd75]

Sometimes I think people just don't realize how large an American based company Sig is. They are one of the biggest big dogs, and getting bigger.

 

[Sig-Pile]

Sig currently employs more than 3,000 American employees.

And they are hiring. I took to classes there this week and several of my classmates were recent hires. And they are looking for more.

 

[Blodielox VonRotten]

SIG SAUER Acquires General Robotics -

SIG Sauer have announced that they have acquired General Robotics, an Israel-based company that develops robots and remote weapon systems.

www.thefirearmblog.com

I hadn't considered this previously, but Sig is headed more and more toward military sales. I feel like eventually there might be a break point when they end up like HK. A couple of items (like pistols) that they sell to consumers, but the vast majority of products for military/LE only. For the newer Sig fans who are into striker fired stuff, probably no big deal. For those of us who love the classic series, I feel like it may be the end of an era. Or, maybe that already happened and I failed to notice.

No way...SIG loves their commercial customers. That's where the real $ is.

 

[kyjd75]

That Sig has Israeli connections should not be a surprise to anyone familiar with Sig. Their top management has IDF ties.

 

[DetroitMike]

And yet 1911s continue to thrive with almost every firearms maker offering a version. I have hopes (delusions?) the P22x series will remain viable and worth selling.

100%. Correct
Since we are currently working on new 1911 tooling for multiple MFG some we all know others local job shops and sub sources for numerous brands. 1911-2011 double stack are still viable
Easy to make simple supply and demand, quick change in program on New Machines.

 

[LEEEAGLE]

I can't see the future. No one here can.

And I do love many of the old P series guns. The P210 and P225 among them. But it only makes logical sense that overtime the scaling down of older, metal framed, hammer fired guns will get less and less. I see that complaint here a lot. But it's simply smart business. Will SIG completely stop making the these guns anytime soon or ever.No. But the market wants poly and striker. It's just gun evolution.

No, it's devolution, just because something has changed doesn't make it better. Time will tell, it always has. My Nissan 3.5 L has nearly twice the horsepower as my1967 Couger, and 3x the Mpg.
Will the Nissan still be kicking in 54 years?

 

[cremaley]

SIG SAUER Acquires General Robotics -

SIG Sauer have announced that they have acquired General Robotics, an Israel-based company that develops robots and remote weapon systems.

www.thefirearmblog.com

I hadn't considered this previously, but Sig is headed more and more toward military sales. I feel like eventually there might be a break point when they end up like HK. A couple of items (like pistols) that they sell to consumers, but the vast majority of products for military/LE only. For the newer Sig fans who are into striker fired stuff, probably no big deal. For those of us who love the classic series, I feel like it may be the end of an era. Or, maybe that already happened and I failed to notice.

I really don't see that happening.

 

[blue72]

Can’t compare sig to HK

HK is difficult to buy from if your a government contract too. Unless your a major contract, you have to plan way ahead with HK to get orders fulfilled