[sds59]

Hi Folks,

New to the Forum and relatively new to shooting. I have a P320 that I love, and am thinking of a .45 1911. Was at a Sig store in Phoenix today, and the guy was telling me some of the full size 1911's have specially polished trigger assemblies, and some do not. When I look on the sig site, some of the descriptions contain:

"This 8+1 capacity model 1911 pistol features a stainless steel slide, stainless steel frame, match grade barrel, hammer/sear set and trigger. "

But many do not. Also, this seems to barely correlate with price. If I am going to go for this, I want to get the best pistol I can. What do you folks think? Also, how do I figure out the capabilities from the Sig site?

Steve

PS: The guy in the store showed me a "Match Elite Stainless" that he said had all these features, felt really good in my hand, and looked great, but I find out now, it is not available as a .45. All suggestions welcome!!!

 

[Tacops fan]

Welcome from SD. A great question I cannot answer but would like to know. I own springfields butam switching over to sigs due to current political reasons. I was going to buy a 10mm 1911 sig anyway so......
I am going to follow.

 

[bearone2]

welcome from az

 

[Blu]

Welcome from NC. Some guru will give you a detailed answer shortly, atleast that is what I have seen here since joining.

 

[sigke]

I haven't heard of any 1911's having a special trigger outta the box. Of course, thats just me and could be true.
I will say that I have the Sig 1911 XO. She's the very base model, but has one of the best triggers I've ever felt outta the box. That being said, imo, Sig makes a fantastic 1911 trigger. I think you'll be fine with whatever 1911 you choose. I wouldn't imagine a lot of difference between Sig 1911 triggers. Just get the one you like best.
That's my 2 pennies anyways.
If I had the money, I'd prolly be all over an STX myself. I think they are really sharp.
And the Super Target models are really nice too...
Not to mention the Nickel models and Fastbacks lol.....A LOT OF NICE 1911's
Good luck, and have fun choosing.

 

[bumper]

Welcome from low creep, crisp break Nevada.

I love SIGs, mostly those made from 1992 to around 2007 or 08. If I wanted a SIG 1911, I would save a few hundred more and get a Dan Wesson (CZ).

I've only done an action job on one SIG 1911 (I'm sure I'd do more if I was a commercial gunsmith - I'm not, just a hobby and I enjoy inventing things and making parts for guns.

The SIg looked pretty on the outside with a nice finish, fit of big parts was acceptable and tighter than a standard Colt 1911. Inside, different story with numerous corner cutting: no pretravel adjustment on the trigger, rough inside frame finish where the trigger bow slides, truly dismal finish on the disconnector with burrs that were scratching away at the back of the trigger bow, sear sides were not parallel, hammer hooks were 15 thousandths too high (to insure lots of creep I guess), and more. There was no love and attention lavished on the internals whatsoever - I know the gun is an assembled production gun - but some of those parts should have been picked up, glances at, and thrown in the reject bin.

The gun was purchased new by my son. I spent several hours fixing it - I should have just replaced all the poorly finished MIM parts (total cost for machined parts would have come to $127 or so. Instead I fixed the parts, modifying the trigger bow to remove pretravel, and tweaking the sear/disconnector/trigger return spring, it ended up with a acceptably nice trigger (and I'm an admitted trigger snob).

Spend the extra money on a DW/CZ, it's worth it. I have some $3 to $4K 1911's, Wilson Combat etc. The DW, at $1.4 to !.5K, is the functional equivalent of those custom guns, for half the price and overall, I think, a better value.

 

[sigke]

Well, I guess some Sig 1911's do have bad triggers.
Ive yet see one with creep in the trigger.
Ive had Dan Wesson as well. Very good indeed.
Actually I had the Specialist. Build quality is undeniable.
They are awesome. But honestly, my $800 Sig shoots every bit as good as my DW did. Prolly wouldn't at 25 to 50 yards, but surely from 3 to 15 yards.
I think the main thing to do is go to an LGS and put one in your hand and dry fire it. You'll know then and there if she has any creep or not.
And you can possibly save about $700 to $800.
But if you want the sweet spot in 1911's ( price and quality) go for the Dan Wesson. They are wonderful.

 

[Shooter Magavin]

Welcome from low creep, crisp break Nevada.

I love SIGs, mostly those made from 1992 to around 2007 or 08. If I wanted a SIG 1911, I would save a few hundred more and get a Dan Wesson (CZ).

I've only done an action job on one SIG 1911 (I'm sure I'd do more if I was a commercial gunsmith - I'm not, just a hobby and I enjoy inventing things and making parts for guns.

The SIg looked pretty on the outside with a nice finish, fit of big parts was acceptable and tighter than a standard Colt 1911. Inside, different story with numerous corner cutting: no pretravel adjustment on the trigger, rough inside frame finish where the trigger bow slides, truly dismal finish on the disconnector with burrs that were scratching away at the back of the trigger bow, sear sides were not parallel, hammer hooks were 15 thousandths too high (to insure lots of creep I guess), and more. There was no love and attention lavished on the internals whatsoever - I know the gun is an assembled production gun - but some of those parts should have been picked up, glances at, and thrown in the reject bin.

The gun was purchased new by my son. I spent several hours fixing it - I should have just replaced all the poorly finished MIM parts (total cost for machined parts would have come to $127 or so. Instead I fixed the parts, modifying the trigger bow to remove pretravel, and tweaking the sear/disconnector/trigger return spring, it ended up with a acceptably nice trigger (and I'm an admitted trigger snob).

Spend the extra money on a DW/CZ, it's worth it. I have some $3 to $4K 1911's, Wilson Combat etc. The DW, at $1.4 to !.5K, is the functional equivalent of those custom guns, for half the price and overall, I think, a better value.

Bumper! I must say, I have NOT seen this ^^ looking at the insides of my TACOPS ???

1st, the stock trigger had pre-travel adjustment tabs.
2nd, The trigger bow slot was very clean cut and saw no machine marks or casting crud like I see in most 1911s.
In fact, the whole interior of this pistol was remarkably clean and precise as far as milling.

Now, I will say, the "trigger" meaning actually the sear and hammer hooks, (non MIM, however, as far as I can tell) were not "Match stoned" or "tuned" and suffers from a wide face with quite a bit of creep. But nothing like you described :huh:

How long ago was this ?

 

[Shooter Magavin]

To the OP:

I think the STX model may have more attentions paid to the "trigger" than the other SIG 1911. But don't quote me on that, as I don't own one.

That said, I do agree with Bumper, in that, If you want a 1911, and a superb trigger is a very important feature to you, than I would not recommend a SIG, no more than I would recommend a production Kimber, Colt or Springfield for that matter.

 

[olbriar]

Welcome to SigTalk. Glad to have you join in the fun. Good luck with your shopping. Greetings from the flat lands of Kansas.

 

[sds59]

perhaps a more precise question

Is anyone aware of differences in the internals of any of the full size Sig 1911 .45 pistols.

 

[bumper]

Now, I will say, the "trigger" meaning actually the sear and hammer hooks, (non MIM, however, as far as I can tell) were not "Match stoned" or "tuned" and suffers from a wide face with quite a bit of creep. But nothing like you described :huh:

How long ago was this ?

The gun was purchased either early 2016 or late 2015, I think. It was a 1911 Stainless (or it's predecessor if they changed the model recently), but looked like this un.

 

[sigke]

To the OP:

I think the STX model may have more attentions paid to the "trigger" than the other SIG 1911. But don't quote me on that, as I don't own one.

That said, I do agree with Bumper, in that, If you want a 1911, and a superb trigger is a very important feature to you, than I would not recommend a SIG, no more than I would recommend a production Kimber, Colt or Springfield for that matter.

Edit.
Did you have a bad experience with a sig 1911?

 

[sigke]

Guys, this dealer sayin that some Sig 1911 triggers are more polished and better than others is prolly just garbage. I'll bet about anything the only difference between the Sig 1911 models are the cosmetic ones.
Thats all....Ive yet to see anything published by Sig stating one 1911 trigger was better than the other. (as far as trigger and internals) they all have the same trigger pull weights that Ive saw.
They're all pretty dad gone good.

 

[gundog]

I have the Sig 1911 full size Nightmare in 45 ACP and there is take up adjustment on the trigger bow and also the trigger is adjustable for over-travel
I have no complaints whatsoever with the trigger on mine as there is no creep and the trigger breaks very crisp. I have also completely disassembled the gun and have not seen anything but quality workmanship throughout Matter of fact, the quality of the fit and finish was one of the main factors in my choosing this particular gun to bring home. Over the years I have had numerous other 1911's and this is one of the finest I have owned even comparing to more expensive brands.