[Abberdog]

Don't mean to beat a 'dead horse' here as I know there are many other posts on triggers for the P320.
I'm considering the original Apex trigger for my P320c. I'm not sure the newer Apex (that lowers poundage) would be a good idea for an EDC weapon.

Would really like to try before I buy, but that most likely won't be possible.

Would it be a mistake to install an Apex trigger on a gun used primarily for EDC and occasional target?

Is there really much of a difference between the Apex and the standard trigger to justify the switch for my intended purposes?

The first few times I shot my P320c, I did experience the 'trigger bite' but that has since disappeared - slight grip adjustment cured it for me.

I know 'triggers' are subjective but I'd like to know what ya all think from your experience.

Thanks

 

[DPeter85]

When handled appropriately, the trigger pull weight should be irrelevant.

I personally carry a P320SCR with a GG PELT flat faced trigger and a polished FCU.

I avoid reholstering as much as possible. Almost all manipulation of the firearm is done while the firearm is still holstered. If I have to fully unholster the gun, it's reholstered prior to putting it back on my person.

 

[chinch]

Carry trigger for a carry gun and range/race trigger for a range/race gun. What is the benefit of a lighter trigger (6.5lb to 4.5lb) again in this capacity?

When handled appropriately, the trigger pull weight should be irrelevant.

Properly handled under duress/stress in real-world "fight or flight" reaction where the sympathetic nervous system takes over? How exactly are you training for that please explain.

 

[stlmia]

If I have to fully unholster the gun, it's reholstered prior to putting it back on my person.

I do this too. But for some holster types, this doesn't really work.

 

[GCBHM]

The stock trigger on the P320 is pretty smooth as it is, and there is a point which can be reached that makes any gun inherently unsafe due to the trigger pull weight, but all that is up to your preferences and personal willingness to take on the risk of carrying gun with a trigger so light that it can be inadvertently bumped to fire. Trigger discipline is paramount. I would suggest you start with putting a few hundred rounds through it as that will loosen the trigger up a bit. Then, if you want it lighter try polishing the trigger components to see how you like that. Then, as you wish, take another step to lighten it as you see fit, but don't just replace the trigger altogether without walking this out slowly. You may find that you like it as it is after a few hundred rounds has loosened it up a bit. As for my personal tastes, I would leave it in the factory set up. Go shoot it more before you start making changes. Leave summary changes for follow up guns, after you know what your trigger preferences are. Just food for thought!

 

[GCBHM]

Carry trigger for a carry gun and range/race trigger for a range/race gun. What is the benefit of a lighter trigger (6.5lb to 4.5lb) again in this capacity?

Surely you understand that a smoother, lighter trigger can afford a disciplined shooter better accuracy? This is why competition shooters employ significantly lighter triggers, so to answer your question, the advantage is accuracy, which is also key in defense shooting.

Properly handled under duress/stress in real-world "fight or flight" reaction where the sympathetic nervous system takes over? How exactly are you training for that please explain.

Come on dude...seriously? How do you train for this?

 

[GCBHM]

If I have to fully unholster the gun, it's reholstered prior to putting it back on my person.

What holster system do you use?

 

[DPeter85]

Carry trigger for a carry gun and range/race trigger for a range/race gun. What is the benefit of a lighter trigger (6.5lb to 4.5lb) again in this capacity?


Properly handled under duress/stress in real-world "fight or flight" reaction where the sympathetic nervous system takes over? How exactly are you training for that please explain.

Booger hook off the bang switch until you want to destroy what you're faced with. Every bit of safety with modern firearms comes down to the individual and much less about the equipment.

My point was also a much more likely scenario. The everyday workings of carrying a firearm. The things that WILL happen every single day. You WILL holster daily. You WILL put it on your body. You will hopefully NOT have to draw your weapon in self defense and if you DO, the trigger pull weight will be such a minuscule factor in the outcome of the situation that I PERSONALLY think it doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that you are familiar and comfortable with how your gun works and feels.

 

[DPeter85]

What holster system do you use?

I use 2 different setups.

In bulkier clothing, I'll wear a Stealthgear AIWB+ with mag carrier.

In light tees and shorts, a Legacy Firearms minimalist holster and mag in the pocket.

Both of which are very quick and easy on/off but secure otherwise.

I've tried 3-5:00 Carry and it just doesn't work for me body. Throws my back all out of whack and the draw motions feel unnatural compared to appendix.

 

[InOverMyHead]

Come on dude...seriously? How do you train for this?

Anything that adds stress while shooting.?.

 

[GCBHM]

I use 2 different setups.

In bulkier clothing, I'll wear a Stealthgear AIWB+ with mag carrier.

In light tees and shorts, a Legacy Firearms minimalist holster and mag in the pocket.

Both of which are very quick and easy on/off but secure otherwise.

I've tried 3-5:00 Carry and it just doesn't work for me body. Throws my back all out of whack and the draw motions feel unnatural compared to appendix.

I can see why you would not reholster your gun without removing these holsters.

 

[GCBHM]

Anything that adds stress while shooting.?.

Yeah, I understand the "concept," but I was addressing the need for the question altogether. It seemed pretty obvious what was meant by DPeter's statement, and he is right. Trigger discipline is paramount, and must be practiced routinely. Anyone who has studied this subject understands that "real" stress of "fight or flight," etc., can't be duplicated for simulations, so chinch, as it par for the course, was clearly just trying to be contentious for no other reason than to stir up dust, as it were, not to actually learn something. It gets old.

 

[chinch]

Booger hook off the bang switch until you want to destroy what you're faced with. Every bit of safety with modern firearms comes down to the individual and much less about the equipment.

My point was also a much more likely scenario. The everyday workings of carrying a firearm. The things that WILL happen every single day. You WILL holster daily. You WILL put it on your body. You will hopefully NOT have to draw your weapon in self defense and if you DO, the trigger pull weight will be such a minuscule factor in the outcome of the situation that I PERSONALLY think it doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that you are familiar and comfortable with how your gun works and feels.

Booger hook off the bang switch.... you didn't fully understand... but one point is it's not just about holstering.

Preventing a ND/AD is the ultimate goal and race triggers on carry guns don't help to that endeavor.

 

[chinch]

Surely you understand that a smoother, lighter trigger can afford a disciplined shooter better accuracy?

If you can't hit a target with a stock 320 you shouldn't be carrying a pistol. Sorry to bring reality back into fantasy land.

Come on dude...seriously? How do you train for this?

When is the last time you shot with your race gun in a crowd after being startled, mugged or maybe even knifed or shot at. Get real "dude".

 

[DPeter85]

Booger hook off the bang switch.... you didn't fully understand... but one point is it's not just about holstering.

Preventing a ND/AD is the ultimate goal and race triggers on carry guns don't help to that endeavor.

So are you trying to tell me that you believe that just the fact there's a "race trigger" in a gun will increase the chance the gun goes off WITHOUT pulling the trigger? If so, I don't disagree.

What I don't think you are willing to concede is that in order for a modern firearm to fire, the trigger MUST be actuated. Period. End of story.

 

[GCBHM]

If you can't hit a target with a stock 320 you shouldn't be carrying a pistol. Sorry to bring reality back into fantasy land.


When is the last time you shot with your race gun in a crowd after being startled, mugged or maybe even knifed or shot at. Get real "dude".

Seriously, how old are you, dude? What are your experiences? I am most intrigued. :huh:

 

[InOverMyHead]

Yeah, I understand the "concept," but I was addressing the need for the question altogether. It seemed pretty obvious what was meant by DPeter's statement, and he is right. Trigger discipline is paramount, and must be practiced routinely. Anyone who has studied this subject understands that "real" stress of "fight or flight," etc., can't be duplicated for simulations, so chinch, as it par for the course, was clearly just trying to be contentious for no other reason than to stir up dust, as it were, not to actually learn something. It gets old.

Gotcha', though I disagree trigger weight is irrelevant. Especially on a striker fire platform. Although I think we tend to get lost in the weeds on the subject

 

[GCBHM]

Gotcha', though I disagree trigger weight is irrelevant. Especially on a striker fire platform. Although I think we tend to get lost in the weeds on the subject

Agreed...I'm not one to change my triggers. I have on one gun, and it did make a difference in how smooth the trigger was, but there really wasn't a big difference in pull weight that I could measure just by shooting. But people are tinkerers, and we like to "make things better" as it were...so we modify our guns. :lol:

 

[InOverMyHead]

Modify you say.?.
Both of my primary handguns have been worked (Cajun and czcustom). The SRT's are on a priority list (the Armory Craft thread put a kink in our plan ).

 

[hardluk1]

Mellow out boys . We all have our own likes and dislikes .and some still need to learn theres . Personally I think sig could have given us a solid 5lb trigger like others have But they screwed that one up . I can shoot a stock heavy p320 fine but its also one of the heavier striker triggers out there and by far the heaviest stock trigger I own on a carry handgun .

I bought the Gray Guns trigger kit figuring I could go back the stock trigger return spring if need be to raise the pull weight some . Mine has settled in at 4lb 3 to 4lbs 5oz with a slightly longer take up and that's fine for ME as a defensive trigger. It feels more like most of my other old carry handguns thru the years .