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I guess I gave away my age and impression of the so called "Safety Devices" being insisted on by non shooters for firearms that they won't really use. Kind of like a Condom sales person in a Fertility clinic.
I see all these "Needed Features" for weapons designed to eliminate the mental lapses of the ill trained, and negligent shooters. Part of this is to make the uninterested public "Feel Good" about firearms. In a sense we are trying to convince people that "Guns are Not Dangerous". It's a mistake.

Jeff Cooper and Bill Jordan collaborated on a set of rules that are muscle based and Mind based. They are as follows.
1. Every Gun Is Always Loaded, unless you have checked it yourself and it has not left your physical control since you checked.
2. Never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
3. Keep Booger Hook off of bang switch until sights are on target.
4. Be aware of what is in front of what you are shooting, and what is beyond it (So you know what happened when you miss)

And the last rule globally applies "If you don't know what you are doing, Don't Do It".

Each and every single negligent discharge of a weapon is finds it cause directly back to these rules. We need to accept that People Will Do Stupid Things and focus on training the adolescent mind instead of depending on "Safeties" and "Gun Identifiers" and a host of other Snow Flake Feel Goods (SFFGs) that will not improve safety but will prohibit the ownership adn use of the defensive tools we need in this marginal world.
 

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This is the manifestation of elitism in the gun world, and it's a sentiment that is not 2A-friendly.

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I agree.

If you don't like safety devices on your particular gun because you have been properly trained and you practice regularly...that is great. There are many guns that fit that bill.

But if you're a newbie who didn't grow up with guns, doesn't know a lot about guns, and never plans to train or practice but still wants to exercise your 2nd Amendment right to own a firearm....then a gun with a multiple safeties may be the best fit for you.

I wish there was some sort of qualification people had to take, but that's not how rights work. Imagine if you had to take a basic Civics knowledge test to vote? What if you had to pass a test on media law before you were granted your 1st Amendment right? Our country would be in much better shape...but that's not how rights work. We don't get to pick and choose who gets their rights (or at least we shouldn't).
 

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Jeff Cooper and Bill Jordan collaborated on a set of rules that are muscle based and Mind based. They are as follows.

3. Keep Booger Hook off of bang switch until sights are on target.
Bill Jordan advocated to start pulling the trigger of the DA revolver during the draw, so that when the muzzle came on the target, the hammer dropped. This was why he developed the Jordon holster with an exposed trigger guard and modified his personal revolvers with a cut down trigger guard.

Having been trained to shoot DA revolvers as a LEO in the late 70's, Jordan's philosophy and techniques were at the forefront of "modern" defensive shooting. The first holster I was issued was a Don Hume-produced version of the Jordan holster.

Fighting Leather: The Jordan Holster | RevolverGuy.com
 

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i can see some utility in something that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pushed by clothing or some obstruction while putting your gun back in the holster (like thumbing the hammer), but i wouldn't carry a striker concealed by choice, so maybe my opinion doesn't count that much.
 

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Trigger locks, self-driving cars, warnings on hair dryers and food content labels exist because of lazy/stupid people and lawyers. Even with all that, the stupid keep devolving. I don't need a warning on pack of Marlboros to know inhaling smoke isn't a good thing.
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I grew up hunting and every shotgun and rifle I have ever owned or used has had a safety. It is second nature for me to disengage the safety as the duck fly's past or whatever. So, everyone I guess has a different level of training and experience.
to be fair, rifles and shotguns are generally carried around in your hands for periods where you have no intention of shooting, whereas a holstered handgun is not in danger of being inadvertently fired, assuming it is a decent holster.
but again as strictly a da/sa guy, i rely only on my wits and a 10lb trigger pull,
 

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Safe gun is a useless gun, they suppose to be dangerous.
Always one in the chamber, why ? because two won't fit.

All you need is a bit of training, semi-working brain and a good holster, that's all there is to safety.

:eek:;)

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i agree that a duty or combat handgun should fire every time the operator (me) pulls the trigger on a chambered round, assuming whatever is on the other end needs to be destroyed asap.
that said, many people shoot guns for sport or enjoyment so i am not adverse to manual safeties for target pistols.

/operator af :p
 

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No skin off me if people want multiple safety models. Just don’t force me to have redundancies on my guns. LCI is an example. I can’t get non-LCI-cut replacement barrels to fit my older slides any more.
 

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I think thumbing a striker control device when reholstering is not a bad idea. Very easy for shirt material to get in the holster and pull the trigger.
I would argue it's very hard due to trigger guard, just try with unloaded gun to make it click while holstering with your t-shirt or whatever.
You shouldn't reholster fast anyway.
 

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I Jane been carry glocks for 2 decades and I recently added them. There is no downside to having it. It allows someone to reholster using the same principle as a da/SA gun.

Maybe caring about if someone else installs a scd on their gun makes you an insecure snowflake.
 

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Have one on my G43x, feels natural reholstering just like thumb on the hammer for my P229's. Have a lot of training and see no downside so pontificate away.
 

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Converted from a hammer-fired HK to an SCD-equipped Glock 19 in 2017. Have had one on any carry Glock since then. It allows me to thumb the hammer while holster, as previously. At this point it's kinda unconscious. I thumb the hammer holstering on my P365X, too. :)

I'm glad that LTT started re-making them after Tau ceased production last year. I actually had the pleasure of having lunch with the owner of Tau in Albuquerque a few years ago. I'm shown below, left, across from my beautiful wife:
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Converted from a hammer-fired HK to an SCD-equipped Glock 19 in 2017. Have had one on any carry Glock since then. It allows me to thumb the hammer while holster, as previously. At this point it's kinda unconscious. I thumb the hammer holstering on my P365X, too. :)

I'm glad that LTT started re-making them after Tau ceased production last year. I actually had the pleasure of having lunch with the owner of Tau in Albuquerque a few years ago. I'm shown below, left, across from my beautiful wife:
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When the Gadget first came out, I did an experiment.

I took an unloaded Glock 17, placed a piece of shirt into trigger guard in front of the trigger, and tried to holster the weapon to see if the shirt would move the trigger.

What I discovered was that the trigger guard area of a properly designed holster (JM Custom, Dark Star Gear, Phlster, etc.) has a very narrow feedway and does not allow the gun to be inserted with extra material around its trigger guard. It didn't matter how hard I tried to seat the gun or how much or how little or how thick or thin the materials were, nothing happened.

Then I tried the same exercise with an improperly designed holster that had too wide of a trigger guard feedway and sure enough the trigger was pressed as the gun was seated. Indeed, there's a famous YT video of an appendix carrier who bends forward and the holstered gun discharged. Turned out his shirt got caught in the trigger guard and he had a poorly designed holster.

So the bottom line is if you use the right holster, then you don't have to worry about something like a t-shirt getting caught up in the trigger guard and the gun going off as you seat the pistol.
 
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