Sig says P229 and M11-A1 have the same DA pull, nope...not true
What gives? I love the look and feel of the M11-A1 but wow was that double action a ***** to pull. An easy 14+lb pull. But it did have an insane reset. On the other hand the P229 was the opposite. A much much better double action pull but the reset was probably 50% longer. What am I missing here? I don't know much about Sigs and looking to get my first.
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One reason it may feel a little "rougher" is the fact, that the M11A1 has "parkerized" (Phosphate finish) internals, which is more corrosion resistant than bluing (Oxide finish), but a coarser finish. With adequate lubrication, and breaking in, the differences will disappear, but as 12131 stated, they are publishing an "average" weight.
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I have both M11a1 and P229sas and would have to say my M11a1 trigger is no different than my P229. I don't have a trigger gauge, but both are pretty good for stock trigger.
I suspect you may just need more break in to smooth it out. You can always send it to Robert Burke if you want to make it really gteat.
I suspect you may just need more break in to smooth it out. You can always send it to Robert Burke if you want to make it really gteat.
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They are supposed to be the same as they are the same gun. Just cosmetic differences.
I'm not sure that SIG is putting phosphate coated parts in these guns any more. They were starting to install parts finished in something they call "super blue" that is claimed to be as corrosion resistant. Those parts would be slicker than phosphate. But I can't say that is the case with the one you looked at as I don't have it to inspect.
Find another and it will be better. Something is wrong with the one you looked at.
I'm not sure that SIG is putting phosphate coated parts in these guns any more. They were starting to install parts finished in something they call "super blue" that is claimed to be as corrosion resistant. Those parts would be slicker than phosphate. But I can't say that is the case with the one you looked at as I don't have it to inspect.
Find another and it will be better. Something is wrong with the one you looked at.
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I do believe I will have an action job done on whatever Sig I end up with. I see he charges less if you have a SRT which I believe is what comes in the M11-A1 and not the P229.
Right now I'm torn between the M11-A1, P229 SAS Gen2, and P229 Carry. Any opinions are welcome.
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I tried 3 different P229s and they all were identical feel. I tried 2 M11-A1s and they were equally as bad, one was flat out terrible. Smooth pull but an honest to God 15-16lbs.
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Dang! Must be a new "undocumented worker" on the assembly line.
(smh)Sounds like a bad batch then. They just shouldn't be that different. There will be a little variation but there shouldn't be that much difference.
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The P229 SAS Gen 2 comes with SRT.
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Now that isn't impossible. They were sitting right next to each other at the same place. One was the green frame (you guys can say what you want but that looks cool!) and the other was a basic black. The basic black one was so bad I made the guy behind the counter feel it. He said the M11-A1 is made that way because it is a LE/MIL pistol and LE/MIL people are known to not have good trigger finger discipline so to help avoid ADs Sig made the M11-A1's trigger very hard on first pull.Dang! Must be a new "undocumented worker" on the assembly line.
Sounds like a bad batch then. They just shouldn't be that different. There will be a little variation but there shouldn't be that much difference.
THAT is the Sig I want but it also is $900 and isn't easy to find used. Another option is a German P228 but again hard to find. I need to research the difference in a SAS and a M11-A1.
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Oh and one thing I didn't like is the trigger pinched my finger between it and the front strap. Ouch!
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That is b.s. Pure, unadulterated Barbra Streisand.
Yea. They all sell fast when SIG does a production run.
I have one in .40S&W. Those in 9mm sell faster.
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I recommend sticking to the P229sas or M11a1. I don't doubt the P229c is a great gun, but the longer barrel is not that hard to conceal. The P229 slide is slightly thicker being that it's a 40s&w, which I like and tend to carry more frequently since I got it.
It's very easy to change to standard trigger if you are mechanically inclined. That should fix the pinch, and most here prefer it.
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The rounded edges of the SAS look good. I like that a lot. Plus it doesn't have the silly SIG emblem on top of the slide.I recommend sticking to the P229sas or M11a1.I don't doubt the P229c is a great gun, but the longer barrel is not that hard to conceal. The P229 slide is slightly thicker being that it's a 40s&w, which I like and tend to carry more frequently since I got it.
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DA pull is a function of mainspring strength and "work" to be done over a limited range of trigger motion. Assuming same design, the main variable is the amount of friction. That can vary and there's a lot of little bits to smooth during an action job.
I worked on one SIG that had a burr on the inside of the trigger bar where it cams on the end of the hammer pivot pin - it was gauging the frame where it rubs there. Another had tiny burrs on inside of the frame, scratching the sides of the hammer.
Quick check to help isolate where the friction is on a DA/SA Classic P:
Pull the trigger to hammer drop and hold the trigger back. Now cycle hammer back and forth with thumb and note how smooth it feels. This checks hammer and pivot, strut, mainspring.
Next, dry fire and hold trigger back. Push on hammer and hold it forward. While holding hammer forward, cycle trigger back and forth. This checks trigger and pivot, trigger bar, trigger return spring, sear, safety lever, and firing pin block plunger (sort of).
Not a complete function check by any means, but the above should help point out where any issues may lie. After a good action job, those tests should be silky smooth.
If you are comparing a couple of guns at a gun counter, pick the best one, Not all SIGs are created equal. It is my fervent belief this is, at least in part, due to slight variables in the tolerances of MIM parts. Gone are the days of careful hand fitting on production guns. Tolerances must be loose enough to allow parts to be assembled from bins with minimal or no fussing required.
I worked on one SIG that had a burr on the inside of the trigger bar where it cams on the end of the hammer pivot pin - it was gauging the frame where it rubs there. Another had tiny burrs on inside of the frame, scratching the sides of the hammer.
Quick check to help isolate where the friction is on a DA/SA Classic P:
Pull the trigger to hammer drop and hold the trigger back. Now cycle hammer back and forth with thumb and note how smooth it feels. This checks hammer and pivot, strut, mainspring.
Next, dry fire and hold trigger back. Push on hammer and hold it forward. While holding hammer forward, cycle trigger back and forth. This checks trigger and pivot, trigger bar, trigger return spring, sear, safety lever, and firing pin block plunger (sort of).
Not a complete function check by any means, but the above should help point out where any issues may lie. After a good action job, those tests should be silky smooth.
If you are comparing a couple of guns at a gun counter, pick the best one, Not all SIGs are created equal. It is my fervent belief this is, at least in part, due to slight variables in the tolerances of MIM parts. Gone are the days of careful hand fitting on production guns. Tolerances must be loose enough to allow parts to be assembled from bins with minimal or no fussing required.
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My P229 SAS Gen 2 .40S&W and my P229 Stainless Elite (SSE) in .40S&W.
Since this pic was taken, I have installed the short reach trigger in my SAS like the one on the SSE.
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Since this pic was taken, I have installed the short reach trigger in my SAS like the one on the SSE.
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P229 SAS, I have they other two. SAS would be my next purchase.
I've owned a P229 SAS, Gen 2, 357 SIG, for about 16 months. By far, my favorite gun.
Will pick up a new M11-A1 within 2 weeks. I had a P229R, 9mm and have a P228. I know the trigger feel.
I will post about the M11 trigger as soon as I fire that new Bad Boy!
PS: Try the new P225-A1. Amazing SRT trigger on that one too!
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