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The more you learn about this shot - The more impressive it is!!

We don't have their specific ammo & conditions data. But using the best available assumptions, this was ~840ft bullet drop. Artillery units can easily do these fire solutions, but it's way beyond the equipment limitations of shoulder fired weapons - Even McMillan's TAC-50!!

Rex suggests this 'Hell Mary' was probably walked in with multiple shots &/or a target-rich location. Still INCREDIBLE!!

https://youtu.be/bzwY6jIwr2o

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The astronomical improbability of this shot is pretty much exactly why it couldn't have just been lucky.

It literally boggles my mind, even if they did walk it in. Major, major respect for that team. Ten second flight time, for God's sake!
 
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The more you learn about this shot - The more impressive it is!!

We don't have their specific ammo & conditions data. But using the best available assumptions, this was ~840ft bullet drop. Artillery units can easily do these fire solutions, but it's way beyond the equipment limitations of shoulder fired weapons

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What *is* scary about this shot is that it means that Artillery units and Mortar units are no longer immune to the possibility of "Counter Fire". Sooner or later some of these weapons will end up in the hands of Bad Guys. When they do, it will be IED's all over again. "Sniper! Where did that shot come from?"
 

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Hornady 750g A-Max
Item Number 8270
Weight 3.00 lbs
H.I.T.S. # (100 Yard Value) 8133
Ballistic Coefficient (G1) 1.050
Sectional Density .412


Drop was closer to 700ft.


Features:
Ultra Low Drag Tip
The low-drag and uniform point raises the ballistic coefficient and precisely balances the center of pressure relative to the center of gravity in order to achieve optimal in-flight stability.
Secant Ogive Profile
The geometric profile works to produce low drag and flatter trajectories.The secant ogive design also provides the optimum bearing surface for stability in flight and the best ballistic coefficient possible.
Swaged Lead Core
The swaging process provides excellent uniformity and balance for consistent performance and accuracy.
AMP® Jacket
The jacket has virtually zero tolerance for concentricity and near zero wall thickness variation.
Boattail
The angle and length of the boattail is unique to each caliber and weight of Match™ and A-MAX® bullets to maximize ballistic coefficient and accuracy.

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The Schmidt & Bender PM II (USMC turrets) is issued to JTF2 for use with the TAC-50, although each team has the option for other choices so I can't say for sure what was the case in this scenario.
 

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It seems an impossible shot for us simpletons. But for a trained sniper who does nothing but shoot, shoot and then shoot some more it was probably just a really good shot for him.
Any of us would be lucky to hit a barn at that distance. He loaded, fired and hit what he was aiming at. Just another day at work for him.
 

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Some more details are slowly surfacing; actual round used was not a Hornady Amax as origionally thought, but the ballistic matched Sniper Elite ammo in API:

General Dynamics specs are 756gr

Armour Piercing Incendiary (API)
The 12.7 x 99 mm (.50 Cal) Sniper Elite® Armour Piercing Incendiary (API) cartridge is designed to be used with sniper rifles. The non-toxic bullet is the same as that in the AP version, except that a pyrotechnic charge is inserted into the nose to generate an incendiary effect upon target impact. Match accuracy is achieved through the optimization of case and bullet geometries as well as tightly controlling tolerances of all components during fabrication. The cartridge case is optimized for effortless extraction out of tight sniper weapon chambers. The Sniper Elite® API cartridge has the same trajectory as the other Sniper Elite® cartridges produced by GD-OTS Canada.
Bullet Weight: ~49g.(~756 grains)
Recoil: ~25 joules
Dispersion: Mean radius at 1,000 less than 0.85 MOA (minute of angle)
Penetration: Defeats multi-plate array targets out to 800m
Waterproof.

Advantages
Low recoil, noise and muzzle flash
Extremely low cartridge case extraction force
Bright flash upon target impact with Sniper Elite® TPS Ball cartridges, allowing clear identification of the impact area
Sniper Elite® API cartridges will defeat strategic targets at long ranges (22 mm armor plate at 400 m)
The seamless transition from the Sniper Elite® Ball to AP allows economical training with Ball, while maintaining operational readiness with AP
Non-toxic bullets eliminate environmental soil contamination
Sniper Elite® Ball and AP Projectiles available in 4 Configurations


Prior to this deployment JTF2 trained specifically for 3km+ shots. Equipment (ballistic calculators, scope rails etc) was modified to cope.
 
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We appear to have conflicting reports about ammunition. Several sources have cited the Hornady A-Max 750, now we have "ballistic matched Sniper Elite ammo in API", and others have speculated that it is US military M33 ball ammunition with a 647 grain bullet (nearly 42g). I'll wait for the Canadian Military to specify.

More info on the GD Ammo:
http://www.gd-otscanada.com/product/12-7mm-sniper-elite/
 

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I still do not see where that shot was even possible unless there was a spotter close by that would be watching to see if the person had moved at all. Also There is not a scope made that can see an object Clear enough to determine that it is a person over Two Miles Away.
Yeah, have to think there were eyes on the target much closer than this sniper's spotter. Someone mentioned a drone confirmed the kill. Perhaps an unarmed drone gave 'em a target view.

I've read JTF2 was providing Iraq troops overwatch, so gotta wonder about their rules of engagement. I mean, a Hellfire off that drone could be very effective...

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It seems an impossible shot for us simpletons. But for a trained sniper who does nothing but shoot, shoot and then shoot some more it was probably just a really good shot for him.
Any of us would be lucky to hit a barn at that distance. He loaded, fired and hit what he was aiming at. Just another day at work for him.
There are probably some snipers who do extraordinary amounts of shooting, but there are some who do not. The USMC scout/ snipers are considered some of the best in the world, and some years ago a Marine buddy told me their snipers were budgeted for less than 200 rounds per year.
 

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They may be budgeted with rspect to sessions, and ammunition per session. 200 rounds per session, one session per week (or more) is more like it.
Of course we are talking .308 here. The 338 and .50 would be less.
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2 miles in Texas flatlands is hard to see a human. But in Bolder Colorado, due to altitude
, clear air and less heat mirage, it is a lot more feasible. Remember, snipers are a team, with spotter on a 60 or even 80 power scope calling out changes to the "trigger".
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Hellfire cost a lot more per kill in single use. There are no more 13 cent kills with a rifle with the cost of ammunition being what it is, but a bullet is still cheap by comparison to a missile.
And nothing is more intimate and terrifying then a single bullet from 1/2 mile away. It is real murder at a retail level. Having been under sniper fire, and having been able to return the favor, I can imagine that the sniper is more terrifying because of the retail nature.
 

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They may be budgeted with rspect to sessions, and ammunition per session. 200 rounds per session, one session per week (or more) is more like it.
Of course we are talking .308 here. The 338 and .50 would be less.
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2 miles in Texas flatlands is hard to see a human. But in Bolder Colorado, due to altitude
, clear air and less heat mirage, it is a lot more feasible. Remember, snipers are a team, with spotter on a 60 or even 80 power scope calling out changes to the "trigger".
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Hellfire cost a lot more per kill in single use. There are no more 13 cent kills with a rifle with the cost of ammunition being what it is, but a bullet is still cheap by comparison to a missile.
And nothing is more intimate and terrifying then a single bullet from 1/2 mile away. It is real murder at a retail level. Having been under sniper fire, and having been able to return the favor, I can imagine that the sniper is more terrifying because of the retail nature.
Yeah, your number would have made way more sense to me, but less than 200 per year, per Marine, is what he said. Who knows. This wasn't super recent info either.
 

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Here's a more detailed account from a good source - Special Forces News:

SOFREP Original Content

By Jack Murphy| 06.22.2017

#Expert Analysis

The Canadian snipers had carefully chosen their hide site. From an elevated position, the Special Operations sniper looked through his scope at a stationary human target leaning against a cement wall over two miles away. The four-man sniper team had been pushing their shots out further and further into Mosul over the course of several days, taking down ISIS terrorists in long-range engagements. Now, they were about to make history.

Three Canadian sniper detachments have been active in Mosul, Iraq. Two of those sniper detachments hail from Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR) and one from Joint Task Force 2 (JTF2), both units falling under Canadian Special Operations Forces Command (CANSOFCOM). CSOR handles tasks commonly associated with American units such as Special Forces and Rangers while JTF2 is Canada’s counter-terrorism unit, filling a role similar to Delta Force. That CSOR is in Kurdistan conducting an advise and assist mission is public knowledge. JTF2 was accidentally exposed in theater by a video released in 2015. What the Trudeau administration doesn’t want people to know is that Canadian troops are actively involved in combat. Like many other western governments, the advise and assist mission is used as a politically neutral term to disguise what is really happening on the ground.

The record-breaking shot was taken by the JTF2 sniper team nearly a month ago, but is just being publicized now, largely because the Canadian military is proud of what their men have accomplished despite what hand wringing politicians might think. Let’s get one thing straight, the record-breaking shot was not at a distance of 3,450 meters as the press has reported, but 90 meters further at a range of 3,540 meters. This smashes the previous record-setting distance for a sniper kill which was 2,475 meters held by British sniper Craig Harrison.

Canadian snipers are known to be amongst the best in the world and the JTF2 sniper detachment had been training for ultra-long range engagements prior to their deployment in preparation for Mosul. From their sniper hide, a number of factors lined up making the record-breaking shot possible. Using Kestral wind meters and ballistic software, the guess-work has been removed from ballistics. This truly makes sniping a science, as successful shots are based on math. On this particular day, there was little wind and no mirage. Through their scope, the sniper and spotter saw the target remaining still long enough for them to hit from 3,540 meters away.

The McMillan Tac-50 was hardly a new rifle, but would do the job. The round fired was a match grade armor-piercing incendiary (API) round. JTF2 mostly utilizes Schmidt and Bender scopes, but also some made by Night Force. Which optic used that day remains unknown at this time. The rifle had been customized in order to gain the mil elevation needed to reach a target at such great distances by attaching special rails to the weapon. The adjustments dialed into the scope by the JTF2 sniper were 113 mils of elevation and 6.5 mils of windage. To learn more about the mil-dot system and how snipers use it to adjust for distance and wind, take a look at the following website.

The JTF2 sniper fired, and the target went down, felled by a .50 caliber bullet from over two miles away. The episode was actually recorded by a Predator drone circling overhead. SOFREP has also seen confirmation of the shot from CANSOFCOM.

Minutes later, the same sniper/spotter team noticed a group of three ISIS terrorists standing close to each other at about 3,200 meters away. It would have been another record-breaking shot. The sniper fired at the group and all three hit the ground. One shot, three kills? Unfortunately not this time, the three terrorists sprung up and ran away. The bullet most likely passed right in between them. For the Canadian hunter/killer team it was still an amazing day. Chalking up a record-breaking sniper kill is one thing, having video evidence of it puts the shot into a whole other league.

The JTF2 snipers cannot be named for security purposes.

Author

Jack Murphy is an eight year Army Special Operations veteran who served as a Sniper and Team Leader in 3rd Ranger Battalion and as a Senior Weapons Sergeant on a Military Free Fall team in 5th Special Forces Group. Having left the military in 2010, he graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science. Murphy is the author of Reflexive Fire, Target Deck, Direct Action, and numerous non-fiction articles about Weapons, Tactics, Special Operations, Terrorism, and Counter-Terrorism. He has appeared in documentaries, national television, and syndicated radio

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