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Serial # stamped on barrel?

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When did Sig discontinue stamping the serial # on the barrel?
This particular sig (Frame made in Germany) has the serial # on the frame and barrel, but not on the slide. The serial # is AB35xxx.
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12131
serial # on the frame and barrel, but not on the slide.
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Replacement slide? AB should have triple numbers.
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Tgg
My AD 229 has triple SN’s, I’m not sure when they were switched to full US production which is where it stopped.
As Q said, you have a replacement slide.
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That is news you never want to hear. 😬
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JGKC9AYC said:
When did Sig discontinue stamping the serial # on the barrel?
This particular sig (Frame made in Germany) has the serial # on the frame and barrel, but not on the slide. The serial # is AB35xxx.
Thanks.
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Yesterday, I discovered Polish law treats each major component as a firearm.

if you get a sports permit in Poland, you get 5 blue sheets. Each one is a permit/permission slip to buy a firearm within the categories the permit holder is authorized (pistol, rifle, shotgun). However, if you have an additional barrel, the law requires the permit holder to use one of their blue sheets for the barrel. So, the barrel needs a serial number. The slide needs a serial number too.

Carbines are even worse, taking 4-5 blue sheets.

if the component serial numbers all match and make a single system, it is just one blue sheet. ...and that is why nobody in Poland builds their own ARs.

So, my plan to build a P226 SAO in 40S&W/357 Sig with a conversion slide/barrel for 9mm (availability; I despise 9mm) to bring to Poland would take 4 blue sheets. Uh, no, not doing that.

Now, if I were to get a collector permit (very unlikely), I might be able to get 10 additional blue sheets. A "collection" restricted to 15 guns or pieces thereof?!?!

Anyway, I am speculating, but Polish law is probably similar or compatible with firearms laws throughout the EU. Further, I am speculating, the manufacturers in Europe are probably serializing all major components sold in Europe to synchronize with the law.

Generally I like Poland, and I am truly grateful they will give me a permit at all, but I miss Texas.
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Since I am confused,, is it the Barrel,, or Slide,, without a serial numberless? Look on the backside of the chamber, if it's the Barrel. You will have to pull the Barrel out of the Slide.

If it's the Slide, then 12131 is probably correct. But look closely, as I've seen a few on Gun Broker, that are real faint...

Here's my 2 triples... neither has Barrel S/N exposed through Ejection Port...

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TXGRunner said:
Yesterday, I discovered Polish law treats each major component as a firearm.

if you get a sports permit in Poland, you get 5 blue sheets. Each one is a permit/permission slip to buy a firearm within the categories the permit holder is authorized (pistol, rifle, shotgun). However, if you have an additional barrel, the law requires the permit holder to use one of their blue sheets for the barrel. So, the barrel needs a serial number. The slide needs a serial number too.

Carbines are even worse, taking 4-5 blue sheets.

if the component serial numbers all match and make a single system, it is just one blue sheet. ...and that is why nobody in Poland builds their own ARs.

So, my plan to build a P226 SAO in 40S&W/357 Sig with a conversion slide/barrel for 9mm (availability; I despise 9mm) to bring to Poland would take 4 blue sheets. Uh, no, not doing that.

Now, if I were to get a collector permit (very unlikely), I might be able to get 10 additional blue sheets. A "collection" restricted to 15 guns or pieces thereof?!?!

Anyway, I am speculating, but Polish law is probably similar or compatible with firearms laws throughout the EU. Further, I am speculating, the manufacturers in Europe are probably serializing all major components sold in Europe to synchronize with the law.

Generally I like Poland, and I am truly grateful they will give me a permit at all, but I miss Texas.
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Yes, most European manufacturers serialize the three main parts of a handgun (slide, frame, barrel). In the US, we like this because it tells us whether those three main parts are original to each other. Having them match increases the value of the gun, especially if it is old and/or rare. It also ensures that the parts are correctly fitted to each other, but this is no longer as relevant. P-series SIGs and generally all modern handguns are produced with modern manufacturing methods (tight tolerance control) that almost ensure that factory replacement parts fit just like the original parts.

However, in Europe, these parts are serialized to control and hassle law-abiding people. It is the same assault on presumption of innocence, due process, and right to self-defense that we see happen here, just writ large. Eastern European countries (whether they used to actually be in the Soviet Union or just the Eastern bloc) like Poland are generally considered worse in this respect. However, Western European countries recently haven't been any better.
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Now, about serial numbers on all three major parts on German SIGs, there is something I could never understand about their Xguns. For the longest time, actually since the beginning, the Xguns never had serial number on the barrel; only on the frame and slide. Then, for whatever reasons, within the last couple of years or so, the Mastershop started serializing the barrels on them guns, also. Beats me why they did what they did.
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12131 said:
Now, about serial numbers on all three major parts on German SIGs, there is something I could never understand about their Xguns. For the longest time, actually since the beginning, the Xguns never had serial number on the barrel; only on the frame and slide. Then, for whatever reasons, within the last couple of years or so, the Mastershop started serializing the barrels on them guns, also. Beats me why they did what they did.
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I also noticed that. However, they were still proofed, right?

Anyway, the only thing I can think of is SIG Sauer was maybe taking advantage of some kind of loophole in certain European laws to make it less of hassle for their competition-shooter customers to get replacement/additional barrels.
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12131 said:
Now, about serial numbers on all three major parts on German SIGs, there is something I could never understand about their Xguns. For the longest time, actually since the beginning, the Xguns never had serial number on the barrel; only on the frame and slide. Then, for whatever reasons, within the last couple of years or so, the Mastershop started serializing the barrels on them guns, also. Beats me why they did what they did.
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Q,
I was under the impression that you had a direct line to the Mastershop and could’ve gotten those answers even from a collect call!!
Probably an apology and correction if you weren’t happy with what they did.😆
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tigerbloodwinning said:
I also noticed that. However, they were still proofed, right?

Anyway, the only thing I can think of is SIG Sauer was maybe taking advantage of some kind of loophole in certain European laws to make it less of hassle for their competition-shooter customers to get replacement/additional barrels.
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Yes, all the major parts have to pass and bear the proof marks, by law. Serial number on all three, obviously, is not required, and it has nothing to do with any "loophole" for competition shooters. My regular all stainless P226 from 2012 (BC) has all major parts proofed, but the barrel has no serial number.
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Q,
I was under the impression that you had a direct line to the Mastershop and could’ve gotten those answers even from a collect call!!
Probably an apology and correction if you weren’t happy with what they did.😆
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I suppose I could ask my semi-direct contact there and see what he has to say.:D
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I don't know if this helps or not.

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12131
^^^ Replacement slide.
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