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SCOTUS – Vermont – Rhode Island – Washington - Delaware Updates

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Gary Slider
SCOTUS has overturned New York’s May Issue laws. It will be awhile before NY and most likely the other May Issue states update their laws and issuing regulations for issuing Permit/Licenses. All the states that are May Issue have very limited places off limits and will most likely follow what DC did and have a huge list of places we will be unable to carry even under their new Shall Issue Laws/Regulations.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

Vermont Governor has signed a bill that updates their Magazine Ban Statute Per Bill S 4 which now allows for bringing higher cap mags into the state by non-residents for shooting matches. https://legislature.vermont.gov/Doc...4/S-0004 As passed by the Senate Official.pdf

Rhode Island Governor has signed S2653 and companion bill H6614 which bans magazines that can hold over 10 rounds. Residents have 6 months to meet the requirements in the new law. http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText22/SenateText22/S2653.pdf
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText22/HouseText22/H6614.pdf

Washington The Governor has signed a Magazine Ban. Residents that have these mags can keep them but can’t buy/sell or bring any more into the state. Non-Residents can’t bring in any mags holding over 10 rounds. https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/Senate Bills/5078-S.E.pdf?q=20220305140501

Delaware has passed a bill but the Governor has not signed it yet but is expected to. This bill bans higher capacity magazines over 17 Rounds.
https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GeneratePdfEngrossment?engrossmentId=25342&docTypeId=6

Handgunlaw.us is in the middle of updating most of the documents on the site to upload July 1. Indiana is going Permitless Carry and several other states have changes in their Statutes that are effective July 1. There is just a lot of work for all these changes. So none of the above changes will be added until July 1 or when they become effective.
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Based upon the above it appears there are more restrictions rather than fewer, at least in some states? Thank you very much for the update.
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ptco911
Wow. There will hopefully be more draconian laws overturned by the courts.
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Regarding the concept of banning carrying in many different locations, the main question will be what level of crime would it be. If some low level misdemeanor carry away. If felony, procede with caution.
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RoyConley
Lets keep in mind that in all, as far as I can tell, States that have conceal carry without a permit, there are restrictions on where one can carry.
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RoyConley said:
Lets keep in mind that in all, as far as I can tell, States that have conceal carry without a permit, there are restrictions on where one can carry.
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True. But the list is normally fairly short. I have a feeling that the “strategy” that will be implemented in NY will a list as long as my arm.
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So my question is this, after just having read the SCOTUS opinion,myself being a CCW holder in my state, if I travel to a state that does not recognize my CCW what crime could I be charged with? Not being a resident of that state I doubt I could get said permit. I understand the restricted areas issue, schools, government buildings Etc. But just being non-resident should not infringe on my 2A. This was a huge ruling. I believe my question as well as many others are answered in that ruling, but once again what do you think those States will do about Travelers who already been through training and have legal legitimate permits in their state? :unsure:
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Also there is this, wouldn't this ruling make 50 state reciprocity mandatory? If not then wouldn't all 50 states have to offer CCW permits to non-residents? I am a huge fan of constitutional carry, I believe there are over 25 States now, please correct me if I'm wrong, I do not know how constitutional carry works in those States. Can you still obtain a CCW in those States? I understand that the Supreme Court is always the final word in this country in regards to our constitution. But I also understand that leftist States do everything they can to get around it!
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AzMaz said:
True. But the list is normally fairly short. I have a feeling that the “strategy” that will be implemented in NY will a list as long as my arm.
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Pretty sure for NYC all they would have to do is say no carry within 1000 yards of a school. Would cut out more than half the city.
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Leeeagle said:
Also there is this, wouldn't this ruling make 50 state reciprocity mandatory? If not then wouldn't all 50 states have to offer CCW permits to non-residents? I am a huge fan of constitutional carry, I believe there are over 25 States now, please correct me if I'm wrong, I do not know how constitutional carry works in those States. Can you still obtain a CCW in those States? I understand that the Supreme Court is always the final word in this country in regards to our constitution. But I also understand that leftist States do everything they can to get around it!
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In TX, where we recently adopted Constitutional carry, you may still get the LTC if you want. In my opinion, it is desirable to still have the LTC, since (1) there are businesses that post signs saying that UNlicensed carry in their establishment is illegal, but if you have the license, you're legal, and (2) states that have reciprocity with TX may still require the license to carry in their state. The LTC covers these questions. I renewed mine, though it wouldn't have been required.
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Pretty sure for NYC all they would have to do is say no carry within 1000 yards of a school. Would cut out more than half the city.
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True. But I don’t think a stunt like that would survive the ensuing legal scrutiny. The toothpaste is out of the tube. It ain’t going back in.
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AzMaz said:
True. But I don’t think a stunt like that would survive the ensuing legal scrutiny. The toothpaste is out of the tube. It ain’t going back in.
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From my observations of the political powers that be in NY they would try and then just wrap it up for years in the court system. Same as CA and the mag ban that was overturned and the state pushed it in front of the full appeals court instead of the 3 member panel that should have heard it and likely would have affirmed the lower court. But, that is the way it is.
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Thanks for your updates.
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Pretty sure for NYC all they would have to do is say no carry within 1000 yards of a school. Would cut out more than half the city.
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That 💩don't fly!... I live less than 400 feet from a school,5 house away!there is no way in hell that my constitutional rights go away just because the house I purchased was in proximity to a so-called"SAFE SPACE "...And I have better armed neighbors even closer! If that stupid *** texas-style thing happened here, we would be the First Responders without a doubt!!!! We have a school police department here, most of them in the middle schools and high schools dealing with snowflakes picking on teachers and cry baby about they're stupid *** transgender or whatever the hell, but not in the K through 5 such as I live near! They breed the snowflakes in the K-5 and by the time they hit middle school /high school they are just absolutely nuts!
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P-shooter said:
From my observations of the political powers that be in NY they would try and then just wrap it up for years in the court system. Same as CA and the mag ban that was overturned and the state pushed it in front of the full appeals court instead of the 3 member panel that should have heard it and likely would have affirmed the lower court. But, that is the way it is.
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Ya, there was articles on one of my news feeds that the rplcmnt guv was already discussing new legislation.
www.breitbart.com

Gov. Kathy Hochul Outraged that SCOTUS Ruled Against NY Gun Laws

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul tweeted it was "outrageous" that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled against her state's "limits" on concealed carry.
www.breitbart.com
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Leeeagle said:
So my question is this . . . . what do you think those States will do about Travelers who already been through training and have legal legitimate permits in their state? :unsure:
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I have a PA CCW, but my job requires me to travel through NJ, to NY & back once a week. So I am protected by the Constitution (& a Sig) most of the week. I work in NY & pay a lot more in taxes to NY than to PA, I don’t get to vote in NY, or to be treated like a US Citizen with Constitutional rights there either.

Did the recent SCOTUS decision do anything about that?
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RoyConley
The opinion states that if you meet the requirements for lawful gun ownership in your home you have a right to carry outside the home within the limitations set. No universal carry here.
Limitations could include : magazine size, caliber limitations, trigger pull wight, classroom training, proficiency standards among others all of which have not been addressed by SCOTUS and specifically noted as regulations permitted by the opinion.
It is a very limited opinion, right to get a carry permit.
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That 💩don't fly!... I live less than 400 feet from a school,5 house away!there is no way in hell that my constitutional rights go away just because the house I purchased was in proximity to a so-called"SAFE SPACE "...And I have better armed neighbors even closer! If that stupid * texas-style thing happened here, we would be the First Responders without a doubt!!!! We have a school police department here, most of them in the middle schools and high schools dealing with snowflakes picking on teachers and cry baby about they're stupid * transgender or whatever the hell, but not in the K through 5 such as I live near! They breed the snowflakes in the K-5 and by the time they hit middle school /high school they are just absolutely nuts!
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Yep, I hear you on all of that. But I have no doubt that NY will go above and beyond to push back against this decision. And be assured they will be pressured by the other states with similar limitations.
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mrerick
The change embodied in the NYSRPA v Bruen case is very deep and far reaching. It will impact supposed "gun free" massacre zones and magazine capacity bans. None of these things existed when the 2nd Amendment was written, therefore under the interpretation expressed in the NYSRPA v Bruen case those infringements are unconstitutional.

We should now see a series of cases work their way through the judicial system slowly striking down all these infringements.

Private property will continue to have the ability to post gun buster signs and prohibit firearms, but public property including schools posting this will be unconstitutional.

The same thing will eventually be found to apply to Red Flag ERPO laws on Sixth Amendment basis. All these gun confiscation laws that leave the individual free on the street will be eventually found to be unconstitutional, especially those that apply the orders ex-parte (without the respondent present at the time of the order).

Leftist Democrats count on their facile "wins" and the media brainwashing and propaganda, as well as the delays involved in their legislative abuse of the Second Amendment. Correcting this may take years, but the Supreme Court has reset us on the correct path for gun owners.
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I think the NYSRPA v Bruen 6-3 ruling will encourage SCOTUS to take more cases and soon as now the pro Second Amendment Justices know where the others stand a lot better than pre ACB at SCOTUS with Justice Roberts no longer seen as a reliable vote anymore. It will be interesting to see how lower court Second Amendmet cases go from here now that the Second Amendment is not to be seen as "a second class Right"

I encourage everyone to please coninue to support your favorite Second Amendment defense organizations with contributions to help with this ongoing battle. My favorite is the Second Amendment Foundation.
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