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Robbed,Gun stolen

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Shawn156

Discussion Starter · 6 d ago

A few days ago I was in the alley behind my house and looking for my trash can since it was trash day. I spotted in the neighbors across the alley so I proceeded to go get it. (Ongoing issue)
3 people came running out and before I knew it,I was hit upside the head twice pushed to the ground and my gun fell out of the holster. Needless to say they grabbed it and took off,shot one round off.
I still don’t know how the gun came out of the holster,I was using a sticky holster since I was just running out back,normally use a retention holster.
Yesterday,by some miracle,my gun was recovered before it was used in a crime.Not sure when I’ll get it back but I learned a very hard lesson. Never use a sticky holster outside the house again. Use the retention holster.
The sticky holster is good for having it in the house,but in no way is it good for anything else.
I leave 2 firearms out when home,my 229 which is what was taken and a 365. I put whichever one I don’t carry in the safe before leaving along with everything else,I don’t even leave ammunition out.
I’ve beat myself up over this the past few days and can’t believe how damn stupid I was for not using the correct holster,even for just a short walk out in the alley.
One person was caught and the one who had my firearm is sitting in jail now.
Figured I would share this to show no matter how careful you are,things like this happen.
I knew there was no way I was going to take out 3 people rushing at me so I never considered trying and just tried getting back into my own yard and avoid the whole situation since it’s fenced in with a privacy fence and the gate was open.
Lesson learned.

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NorthernMichigan

· #41 · 6 d ago

Glad you are ok first off.

Second, hindsight being 20/20 I wouldn't go into someone else yard if it's an "ongoing problem". Once you set foot on someone else property, you set yourself up for failure (legally). While I agree with the general sentiment of retrieving your property that was within sight, it's the kind of thing I would only do if the neighbor and I were on good terms and the sanitation folks made the mistake. In your situation, I would have called the cops and met them to point out "that's my property in their yard".
To each their own, but when you enter someone else's property and an altercation ensues they get to claim self defense. If it's a car or something registered to you (documented ownership) that's one thing, but a trash can (which I assume is fairly generic and anyone could "reasonably" claim ownership of) they can claim they were within their rights to defend themselves from your "theft". In your case, they might even try to claim they simply took your firearm to keep you from using it since you were the "aggressor" who came onto their property. It's all muddy waters to be avoided in my opinion (despite the fact that I am just some idiot on the internet).

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AFW

· #42 · 6 d ago

Glad you are okay! That could have gone from bad to worse in a hurry

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Wasp

· #43 · 6 d ago

Sticky holsters are worthless unless in your pocket for pocket carry.

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Chowda

· #44 · 6 d ago (Edited)

Not sure why you'd carry if you're not willing to protect yourself with it during an attack. How would you have reacted if your wife or son or daughter were there when you were attacked?

Some people shouldn't carry. That is a fact. Better to be unarmed than give your weapon to a bad guy to use against you or others.

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Weez556

· #45 · 6 d ago

I have a few thoughts for Shawn 156 how about a few other security upgrades. Home security system like ADT also a camera system. You can probably get help from family or friends to help get camera system installed. If you think about ADT I'd go with the old hardwire system no need to depend on wifi or internet.
I saved the best for last sounds like you need a good dog as a companion and friend. Plenty of good dogs looking for a good home. Then some Beware of Dog signs on the privacy fence. The dog would be some work but also very rewarding.

I have everything I have mentioned and a few other things. Some people ask me what I'm scared of. I tell them I'm not scared just prepared and not a soft target. They laugh about my Beware of Dog signs. I tell them need to read the fine print at bottom. My signs say Beware of Dog owner in fine print.

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P938365

· #46 · 6 d ago

Weez556 said:
I have a few thoughts for Shawn 156 how about a few other security upgrades. Home security system like ADT also a camera system. You can probably get help from family or friends to help get camera system installed. If you think about ADT I'd go with the old hardwire system no need to depend on wifi or internet.
I saved the best for last sounds like you need a good dog as a companion and friend. Plenty of good dogs looking for a good home. Then some Beware of Dog signs on the privacy fence. The dog would be some work but also very rewarding.

I have everything I have mentioned and a few other things. Some people ask me what I'm scared of. I tell them I'm not scared just prepared and not a soft target. They laugh about my Beware of Dog signs. I tell them need to read the fine print at bottom. My signs say Beware of Dog owner in fine print.

In some municipalities, those "Beware of Dog" signs are necessary warning to protect the owner from liability, too. In some states, the sign has to say "Bad Dog," instead, if the owner wants that liability protection.

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Robert70

· #47 · 6 d ago

Shawn156 said:
A few days ago I was in the alley behind my house and looking for my trash can since it was trash day. I spotted in the neighbors across the alley so I proceeded to go get it. (Ongoing issue)
3 people came running out and before I knew it,I was hit upside the head twice pushed to the ground and my gun fell out of the holster. Needless to say they grabbed it and took off,shot one round off.
I still don’t know how the gun came out of the holster,I was using a sticky holster since I was just running out back,normally use a retention holster.
Yesterday,by some miracle,my gun was recovered before it was used in a crime.Not sure when I’ll get it back but I learned a very hard lesson. Never use a sticky holster outside the house again. Use the retention holster.
The sticky holster is good for having it in the house,but in no way is it good for anything else.
I leave 2 firearms out when home,my 229 which is what was taken and a 365. I put whichever one I don’t carry in the safe before leaving along with everything else,I don’t even leave ammunition out.
I’ve beat myself up over this the past few days and can’t believe how damn stupid I was for not using the correct holster,even for just a short walk out in the alley.
One person was caught and the one who had my firearm is sitting in jail now.
Figured I would share this to show no matter how careful you are,things like this happen.
I knew there was no way I was going to take out 3 people rushing at me so I never considered trying and just tried getting back into my own yard and avoid the whole situation since it’s fenced in with a privacy fence and the gate was open.
Lesson learned.

Situations like these always bothers me more than others. Neighbors can sometimes create these types of issues. You said in the beginning this is/was an ongoing issue. Be very careful and aware. If they're lowlife, enough to jump you 3 on 1 (armed or not). With one in (at least) in jail, I can imagine they have police records already. Those types of people don't let things go. It doesn't matter if it was their fault. They'll be looking for 'payback'. Watch your 6 friend. I'm glad you're ok. Like you said, 'lesson Learned'. Some neighbors can be a real PITA! Dangerous too, just be careful.

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Robert70

· #48 · 6 d ago

Shawn156 said:
I’m home all the time and rarely leave. I’m a huge hermit,I stay in for days at a time without as much as walking outside. When it happened,it was the first time in 3 days I had been out of the house. It’s so bad,I filled my car up May 8th and it’s still sitting on full. I just don’t go anywhere.
If they happen to try anything,then I’ll have a much better chance at defending myself.
They have been evicted and the detective is working on getting the warrants now so they can get picked up asap.

Even if/when they're evicted, they still know where you live. I don't need to say anything about your security. After going through what you did, 'Every possible situation' has already been going through your mind like a broken record.

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RamGuy84

· #49 · 6 d ago

Marek71 said:
That is the reality in a lot of places unfortunately. If you had to shoot to defend yourself the system would go after you harder them the idiots that attacked you. Avoidance is the key unless there is no other option.

Well said.

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AzMaz

· #50 · 6 d ago (Edited)

Shawn156 said:
It would of been justifiable,problem being,could I of taken all 3 out without one getting to me first? That’s the question no one can answer.

The first reality that must be acknowledged and accepted physiologically is that in these situations you are going to be presented with several bad options. There will not be a perfect wonderful option so pick the best of the bad options.

The option I would never entertain is they disarm me and execute me. In this particular case, option 1 is draw and fire on the 3 attackers hoping best case shots hit home and I live to see another day. Worse case is these guys see one or more of their teammates drop and run for the hills. You’d be surprised how quickly being shot at and watching a cohort drop makes attackers decide to retreat. These guys are usually thugs. Not brave Americans storming the beaches of Normandy.

If you can’t do option 1 could be that there is some validity to the question posed by some others here, should you be carrying? Maybe pepper spray or some other non lethal option would be better. There is no shame in accepting realities whether they be physical or other limitations that will prevent you from performing when necessary along with weapon retention skills etc.

There is much more to carrying a gun than just carrying a gun.

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Chowda

· #51 · 6 d ago

Shawn156 said:
It would of been justifiable,problem being,could I of taken all 3 out without one getting to me first? That’s the question no one can answer.

I would rather take at least one with me on my way out. You were willing to go out alone. You gotta go down fighting, man.

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TacoJoe

· #52 · 6 d ago

I’m just glad you are ok. Take care and be careful. Thanks for sharing you story. My prayers are with you.

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MoRivera

· #53 · 6 d ago

Considering what could have happened, this probably turned out as well as it could. Thank goodness.

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neO229CA:(

· #54 · 6 d ago

Shawn156 said:
It would of been justifiable,problem being,could I of taken all 3 out without one getting to me first? That’s the question no one can answer.

You made the right choice. Since there were 3, you would have had to incapacitate all 3 (or worse), before they got to you for your own safety. 4 to 9 shots under duress? Without witnesses, that could be misconstrued many ways ..

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neO229CA:(

· #55 · 6 d ago

Shawn, no point in second guessing yourself at this point. I'm glad you are safe and the attackers will see some jail time. Work on your safety plan, now. Some good suggestions here, like the dog ..

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Shawn156

Discussion Starter · #56 · 5 d ago

If I could upload the video and show how fast this happened I think it would make a difference in opinions. This was less then a 30 second ordeal from the time they came at me to when I got back into my yard.
The gun was holstered until I hit the ground and it came out of the holster. I was pushed hard to the ground,and sticky holsters aren’t known for their retention. Especially the way I had it in the holster to start with,which was with the holster tucked a little to keep it from catching on the rear sights.
I already have security cameras wired which helped disprove part of their story that they never came out or the house whatsoever, but with a privacy fence it didn’t catch when they came at me.
I do plan to testify after speaking with the detective yesterday about my concerns of the prosecutor.
Was I wrong for going on their property yes,I’ll admit that part. The ongoing issue was of them taking the trash cans from not only me but others. This was the first time I had ever had any type of interaction with them,never talked to them before Monday when this happened. I should of been more clear on that part.
I’m Going Friday to the range and spending some time working on different things,Ex Cop friend said he would show me a bit more so if I get in the situation again,I’ll be better prepared. I think lack of better training hurt me in this situation. So it’s something for me to work on this summer. Most importantly,never using a sticky holster outside of the house again. Retention holsters only. Right now I have to carry a 226 since it’s the only one I have a retention holster for until I get my 229 back soon.
I’m aware they know where I live and expect problems,atleast until they are arrested and I just have to be watching out for myself more and aware of what’s going on around me and who’s around me.
I’ll continue to carry,I’m not going to let this keep me from it,but it’s going to make me seek better training for myself and how to deal with situations involving more then 1 person.

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Fred Ward

· #57 · 5 d ago

Awful lot of critics for people who weren't there. Tough talk is meaningless until you faced down thugs. "Tried by twelve" and "better get one than none" are trite, meaningless expressions, often said by overweight, middle aged men eating Cheetos in their recliners. I vote to be helpful, not jerks.

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Shawn156

Discussion Starter · #58 · 5 d ago

I tend to ignore those comments since they likely haven’t been in that situation ever and never will.
I know I had zero chance and why I was trying to get back to my safe zone and nearly made it,but it was a learning experience that will help me on what I need to work on as far as training. If there were only 2 of them,I wouldn’t of hesitated to draw and shoot. Ididn’t expect the gun to fall out when I fell,but always expect the unexpected from now on.
I did pick up another P229 Pro yesterday just so I could train with it since I don’t have my 229 back yet. It’s what I have carried for 4 years and will carry it again when I get it back,hopefully next week. It’s being held in case dna needs to be taken from it.
The person who was caught with my gun wasn’t one who was involved but did flip and tell them where he got it.

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Robert70

· #59 · 5 d ago

Shawn156 said:
I tend to ignore those comments since they likely haven’t been in that situation ever and never will.
I know I had zero chance and why I was trying to get back to my safe zone and nearly made it,but it was a learning experience that will help me on what I need to work on as far as training. If there were only 2 of them,I wouldn’t of hesitated to draw and shoot. Ididn’t expect the gun to fall out when I fell,but always expect the unexpected from now on.
I did pick up another P229 Pro yesterday just so I could train with it since I don’t have my 229 back yet. It’s what I have carried for 4 years and will carry it again when I get it back,hopefully next week. It’s being held in case dna needs to be taken from it.
The person who was caught with my gun wasn’t one who was involved but did flip and tell them where he got it.

Unfortunately, I've been in almost the exact same situation, more than once. I was not armed at the time & I was much younger. Able to 'fight' the best I could, and 'gave almost as good a beating as I got'. But at 70 yrs old, I'm sure not in a position to do that anymore. Admittedly, those days of a 'fair' fight are Long gone. For at least the last generation or two, our society has broken down to the point of 'anarchy', where multiple assailants, don't have any fear of authority. They'll attack a child, adult, even disabled elderly men or women. That's what we honest citizens are left to deal with. As the OP stated, 'lesson Learned'. I can't and won't criticize him or anyone else with 'what if's'. Like said before. 'You were not there'. Soldier on & TTL you're ok, except the 'trauma' of having to go through it.

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sagerat

· #60 · 5 d ago

Got another Sig, way to make lemonade out of a lemon. 👍

And good on ya for agreeing to testify. I did when the scuzzbucket who stole my car went to trial and it helped put him away. Being the target of a violent attack by three thugs should help put them away, too.

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