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Bad news for our beloved Sig brand!



The Dutch Police approved a contract to employ a variant of the Sig P250 back in January, but have since changed their minds due to failed tests. Apparently, Sig Sauer was required to modify the pistol in order to meet very specific standards, at which point it would be rigorously re-tested. According to the police minister to the Parliament the pistol has failed three tests and been deemed unsafe for use by Dutch police.



The contract was initially for an order of 45,000 sidearms - it will not be easily absorbed by either party.



What does this mean for the Sig market in the United States? Probably very little, if anything. It's just a black mark in the history books, which is never fun to read about for any brand...much less a favorite.



Side note: a commenter in the source article - who purports to be from the Netherlands - mentions that the police minister, Ivo Opstelten, is somewhat anti-gun and not very knowledgeable about firearms in general. While not confirmed, a quick search of the name yields some supporting news articles, and it does soften the blow a little.

 

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Wow... they lost a 45000 piece order?
I bet some heads will roll for that one...
 

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Keep in mind that the P250 passed all of the tests way ahead of the other contenders. It was just the strict modification requirements that it failed.
 

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Did they ever say how or why?

Did they ever say how or why the 250 failed? Its on my list so I am interested. I am waiting for Gun Tests to test this pistol. Maybe they did and I missed it. I'm off to my archives once I get home.
 

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I have a P226, P228, P229 and a P250. The P250 is in .45 compact. So far there are no feed problems or misfires. The trigger is smooth and the accuracy is good. It has a good feel and lighter than most all .45's with a ten round capacity. I'm liking this Sig and I like the ability to change the caliber. I have exchange kits for the P226 and P229 but you can not take em to sub compact, compact or full-size. I like the P250 in compact and will probably not get the full size but am thinking of a sub compact kit in .45. It's a departure from the traditional Sig but I can not see issues on my end at this time.


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I was just looking at the Sig 2sum. Looked interesting and if you can get a spare FCU for cheap you have 2 guns for close to what you could pay for 1! And they would both be Sigs!:)
 

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FCU for p250 2sum

I was just looking at the Sig 2sum. Looked interesting and if you can get a spare FCU for cheap you have 2 guns for close to what you could pay for 1! And they would both be Sigs!:)
I own the 2sum in 9mm, and was curious about this also. In my initial research, everything I read said that the FCU could not be purchased separately because this is the portion of the gun that is considered a firearm, and has the serial # on it. Then I read a post on "The Firearms Blog" that said a place called "JC Weaponry" in Oregon sold them. I emailed them and inquired, and they replied that they hadn't sold them in a long time, and that they were no longer available.
 

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From what I've seen, you cannot just purchase the FCU... I have tried. You have to buy the FCU with all of its composite parts, AKA the GUN, in total.

From what my LGS has told me, they said "Your gun [p250] isn't federally or state-wide, considered a firearm if it doesn't have the [FCU]. If you wanted to buy another [FCU], you would have to go through all the legal paperwork and wait 3 days (the waiting period in FL) to get it. They don't sell them in the catalog, and I don't think they can legal sell them as spare parts. You can buy everything else you need separately, but for that part you would need to buy another gun."

This guy is very knowledgeable about firearms and gun laws, at least in Florida.
 

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I have the 9mm Compact P250 I loved it so much I now have the .40S&W kit in Sub Compact and the .45ACP in the full size kit. never had ANY fail.
 

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For the record, this is old and pertains to gen 1. All currently available is gen 2 and there are no issues.
 

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Did they ever say how or why the 250 failed? Its on my list so I am interested. I am waiting for Gun Tests to test this pistol. Maybe they did and I missed it. I'm off to my archives once I get home.
Gun Tests aren't those the same guys who worked McDonalds last month?
 

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How come the dutch didn't like it?, a flower didn't pop out the end of the barrel when they pulled the trigger?

I never seemed like a good idea to me for quality gun manufacturer like Sig to get into the polymer/DAO market.
 

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The Dutch didn't like it because they were all gen 1.
 

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How come the dutch didn't like it?, a flower didn't pop out the end of the barrel when they pulled the trigger?

I never seemed like a good idea to me for quality gun manufacturer like Sig to get into the polymer/DAO market.

20 years from now, the "polymer/DAO" market will be the only one that exists. For Sig to survive, they need to develop DAO/DAK lines in polymer. DA/SA is already dying and will be gone in 20 more years. New production DA/SA will be outlawed within the next 10 years. All guns will be polymer, or whatever replaces it, within 20 years.

The problem isn't getting into these guns, the problem is how they did it. Sig's expertise is ONLY in the Classic P Series design from the 1980-90's. It's all they know. When the management pushed their design people to come up with smaller, lighter, more girl-friendly guns, they failed. Miserably. P250, P290, P238, P938.....all disasters. Poor designs, rushed to market, guaranteed to fail. This incompetence will not end as long as Cohen is there. Any solution must involve his departure.
 

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20 years from now, the "polymer/DAO" market will be the only one that exists. All guns will be polymer, or whatever replaces it, within 20 years.
I remember hearing the same thing 20-25 years ago. :lol:
 
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