What were some of the round counts when they started having frame failures?
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One gun range said 30k for the P226 and 50k for Glocks. But another, more realistic in my opinion, said 150k frame crack P226 and 130k frame crack Glock. Yet another said 90k P226 frame crack and 220k for a Glock. So it really varied for the round count, a lot, but all of them agreed that eventually the frame would crack just from normal use; all of them said because it's aluminum. With a steel frame it might not crack but it'll disfigure, so basically the same thing as it won't cycle anymore.What were some of the round counts when they started having frame failures?
This is what half of customer service reps have told me. But the other half disagree, as do all gun ranges. So not really sure what's the truth now.I do not agree with the conclusion that all gun frames will eventually crack. At least not in several lifetimes of use. There are pistols out there over 350 years old, some no doubt are still functional, but I doubt anyone would try. Bottom line, if a pistol frame is designed and made properly, and the gun is well maintained and not abused, (two big ifs to be sure) there's nothing that suggests the frame would fail after X number of rounds fired. I'm not saying there aren't some guns that will fail, but if that be the case, then the gun was either not made adequately strong, or its care was neglected or abused in some manner.
Nothing lasts forever. Given enough time (translation, number of rounds), a gun will eventually fail. But, I agree with bumper, that a well maintained / not abused gun will last a very long time, compared to one that's not properly cared for.So not really sure what's the truth now.
Wow, that Beretta sounds defective. Did you get a replacement?There is a gen 1 Glock 17 @ FLETC , last I knew had over 2,000,000 rounds thru it. My issued Beretta 96D went about 1500 rounds before cracking.
I can give several real world examples from discussions on various forums;One gun range said 30k for the P226 and 50k for Glocks. But another, more realistic in my opinion, said 150k frame crack P226 and 130k frame crack Glock. Yet another said 90k P226 frame crack and 220k for a Glock. So it really varied for the round count, a lot, but all of them agreed that eventually the frame would crack just from normal use; all of them said because it's aluminum. With a steel frame it might not crack but it'll disfigure, so basically the same thing as it won't cycle anymore.
Ask at gun ranges? Usualy the employees are clueless as to firearm"s functioning and are there for safe operation. . As far as a round count I'd love to see what CS employee started they will crack. The potential is there...but a round count? Total BS. I've seen numerious P deries in 357 that went over 50k. At that point the barrel was shot out and replaced. I guess all those 1911's from the early 20th century should be destroyed by now..but aren't. The only unusual cracked frames were on S&W second gen guns. The frame rails cracked with less than 5k on them...all factory 9mm.After getting conflicting answers over the phone from Sig with half of reps saying, yes, a pistol's frame will eventually crack just from regular use after X amount of rounds, and half saying, no, a pistol's frame will last indefinitely if only shooting factory ammo I decided what better way to find out than to ask gun ranges. So, after an exhaustive investigation (LOL), the consensus from all gun ranges is that, yes, pistol's frames will eventually crack just from normal use. They disagreed on the actual round count but all of them agree that eventually they will crack just from regular use. However, none of the ranges that I went to had a Sig P320 or P365, the modular ones, and now I'm curious. All of the gun ranges said frames crack because all frames have stress points, but the P320 and P365 use the modular FCU, although they do have the slide rails on the FCU, but I'm curious, after enough rounds to crack a P226, would that also be enough to crack a P320 FCU? Most gun ranges said the P226 tends to crack vertically near the slide stop on the frame rail, and this appears to be from the slide ramming into this part of the frame and creating a stress point. So, with a P320 FCU with the built-in slide rails, I guess the slide rams into the FCU, or does it ram into the $40 plastic grip module? Or if I get the AXG alloy grip module, does that take the brunt of the ramming leaving the FCU to last indefinitely? Or will the FCU eventually crack just from normal use?
It was an issued pistol. I just started carrying my H&K after it broke.Wow, that Beretta sounds defective. Did you get a replacement?