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P365XL Proficiency

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Hey guys I want some advice. The 365XL is the first striker pistol I’ve owned and intend on carrying. I’ve primary carried 1911’s and have been spoiled by their triggers.

My question is how to practice getting good with a striker like the 365. I took the gun - brand new - to the range today and was frustrated by the fact that my groupings were consistently low and to the left. I put 300 rounds of ball through it and by the end was getting much better groupings around the bullseye. All shooting was done at 21 feet.

I believe I am anticipating the break of the trigger - which is longer than I’m used to - and flinching down and left. I find that when I grip the gun with the right thumb against the frame and the left thumb sandwiching the right against the frame pointed forward it helps too.

Only mod to the pistol is a Wilson grip module. The first picture you can see the group low and left. The second is the last ten rounds really focusing on what I learned and taking my time/letting the trigger surprise me.

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I think you are focusing on the right things. In my experience with the p365, the key for me is to use my right thumb (I’m right handed) against the frame. I can’t flag it like I’m used to with other guns. I also focus on not squeezing my right hand fingers at the moment of trigger press. Squeezing those fingers will push the gun to left, especially with the little p365 models.
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Letting the trigger surprise you is an older school of thought. A better approach is to prep the trigger and then know exactly when the break is going to happen.

I think you just need some more dry fire behind the trigger to get used to it's take-up/break points.
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Letting the trigger surprise you is an older school of thought. A better approach is to prep the trigger and then know exactly when the break is going to happen.

I think you just need some more dry fire behind the trigger to get used to it's take-up/break points.
Good suggestion. I tend to let the trigger full forward after a shot. Is it meant to just go forward enough to reset and then pull again? Learn that point?
Okay I'm going to rant a bit,
EVERY class or course I have taken including several private lessons from very good to excellent shooters say NEVER EVER put your right thumb down and cover it with left (right handed shooter) It is always GET THAT THUMB OUT OF THERE....YOUR right thumb is the big boss...he doesn't do ****... never have I heard the grip you are describing as GOOD or PROPER. it's not a revolver that you grip with your primary hand and then your support hand... yes it is smalleras a micro but still need a proper grip first and foremost.

I would say put up a small piece of tape on the wall, ensure pistol is empty and practice DRY fire over and over and over until you fall asleep from boredom... then rest... wake up and DRY fire over and over and over...

By the way you do realize a 365 of any config is not a target pistol right? you need consistent 6 inch groups at your 21 ft. if you can put 100% of 1000 rounds into a 6 inch or smaller group at any position I'd say you are good.

Next go buy a shot timer... practice drawing and DRY firing... Then start adding movement to your practice with the timer (I know you don't need a timer right?) well how else are you going to measure improvement? standing in one place shooting paper leisurely for accuracy? hey bad guy stand there for 3 seconds while I draw my weapon take careful aim and defend myself... hmmm. how about draw from a holster and put 2 in a 6 inch kill zone in say 1.2 seconds...

GREAT video Proper Grip for Small Pistols - YouTube

Oh and don't forget to have fun :)
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Good suggestion. I tend to let the trigger full forward after a shot. Is it meant to just go forward enough to reset and then pull again? Learn that point?
For a striker fired pistol, yes. Get to reset as quickly as possible and then start your prep/break again. This gives you the quickest shots and keeps sights on target.

Some that grew up on DA revolvers let it all the way out though out of habit and they can still shoot very well.
Okay I'm going to rant a bit,
EVERY class or course I have taken including several private lessons from very good to excellent shooters say NEVER EVER put your right thumb down and cover it with left (right handed shooter) It is always GET THAT THUMB OUT OF THERE....YOUR right thumb is the big boss...he doesn't do ****... never have I heard the grip you are describing as GOOD or PROPER. it's not a revolver that you grip with your primary hand and then your support hand... yes it is smalleras a micro but still need a proper grip first and foremost.

I would say put up a small piece of tape on the wall, ensure pistol is empty and practice DRY fire over and over and over until you fall asleep from boredom... then rest... wake up and DRY fire over and over and over...

By the way you do realize a 365 of any config is not a target pistol right? you need consistent 6 inch groups at your 21 ft. if you can put 100% of 1000 rounds into a 6 inch or smaller group at any position I'd say you are good.

Next go buy a shot timer... practice drawing and DRY firing... Then start adding movement to your practice with the timer (I know you don't need a timer right?) well how else are you going to measure improvement? standing in one place shooting paper leisurely for accuracy? hey bad guy stand there for 3 seconds while I draw my weapon take careful aim and defend myself... hmmm. how about draw from a holster and put 2 in a 6 inch kill zone in say 1.2 seconds...

GREAT video Proper Grip for Small Pistols - YouTube

Oh and don't forget to have fun :)
What grip would you suggest then for a smaller grip pistol? Also I'd ask why the pistol grip (both the stock and Wilson) have a deep right thumb groove in them?
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Ah good old Mr. Ayoob! He's one of those guys that when he speaks you'd better listen. Thanks for the advice and videos! I think I'll be going to the range again tonight
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And another one…

Good ole Hickok. Look at how his HUGE hands grip the tiny Walther.

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I think the Grip is the most important ..
I went through a few from Stock XL to WC and now AC.XL that gives me the best grip for my hands .,
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I think the Grip is the most important ..
I went through a few from Stock XL to WC and now AC.XL that gives me the best grip for my hands .,
Is the AC XL very different from the WC?
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Is the AC XL very different from the WC?
Very much so .. it’s close to stock XL but has aggressive grip .. oh it looks awesome.

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Very much so .. it’s close to stock XL but has aggressive grip .. oh it looks awesome.
Very sexy for sure
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Very much so .. it’s close to stock XL but has aggressive grip .. oh it looks awesome.
Nice! I haven’t tried any of their stuff yet. I’m too addicted to metal grips at the moment.
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Nice! I haven’t tried any of their stuff yet. I’m too addicted to metal grips at the moment.
Coming from 1911 , I like metal grips But they’re kinda expensive.. beside I can’t find any that justifies the price yet ..😆
Enjoy ..
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Coming from 1911 , I like metal grips But they’re kinda expensive.. beside I can’t find any that justifies the price yet ..😆
Enjoy ..
Yeah they are stupid expensive. But the resulting p365 doesn’t have as many quirks as it had before I installed the new modules. It handles just like my other guns now.

I ended up buying two Icarus Precision grips last year because I had two p365s and I really couldn’t stand the thinness and lightweight-ness of the guns as stock. The aluminum grips solved the weight issue beautifully… but I hear that WC let’s you put tungsten weights in their polymer now. I didn’t know that at the time.

Over the years, all of my pistols have been heavy so I guess I had to pay to play in order to make the p365 work for me.

It’s great that we can make the changes we need, right?
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Yeah they are stupid expensive. But the resulting p365 doesn’t have as many quirks as it had before I installed the new modules. It handles just like my other guns now.

I ended up buying two Icarus Precision grips last year because I had two p365s and I really couldn’t stand the thinness and lightweight-ness of the guns as stock. The aluminum grips solved the weight issue beautifully… but I hear that WC let’s you put tungsten weights in their polymer now. I didn’t know that at the time.

Over the years, all of my pistols have been heavy so I guess I had to pay to play in order to make the p365 work for me.

It’s great that we can make the changes we need, right?
I put the tungsten rods in my WC grip and it made a world of difference. A little bit tedious to install due to needing to use a silicone to hold them in their bores - just have to be careful and clean everything really well. When done properly though it should last as long as the rest of the grip. Fitment with the Sig FCU was perfect.
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I put the tungsten rods in my WC grip and it made a world of difference. A little bit tedious to install due to needing to use a silicone to hold them in their bores - just have to be careful and clean everything really well. When done properly though it should last as long as the rest of the grip. Fitment with the Sig FCU was perfect.
That was a smart idea they had to add the weights. If I had known about that then, I probably would have gone that route instead of the more expensive metal. I always recommend the WC to people who have issues with the thickness of the stock module. At $65, it’s a steal compared to the majority of other options.

I do love my aluminum modules though.
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Sooooo on another thread, maybe a day or so ago, I said I took the Holosun off because I didn’t like it. My various reasons were incorrect. Talk about a game changer.

Still working out the grip thing but making progress. The dot is just sooo easy. Same thing - 21 feet - last ten rounds after 190 of practice. I think it’s coming along. I need to print out some of these different grip directions though because I forget them and there isn’t any cell service in the concrete range….

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