P365x will fit both world .. 😆
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P365XL or Hellcat Pro
Joined this forum years ago when I got P320F. Now in market for EDC upgrade.
It was going to be P365. I have held Hellcat many times and each time the trigger guard hurts my middle finger knuckle. The P365 dug into palm. I could live with Sig imprints but just holding Hellcat in store made my knuckle complain.
Then friend put P365X grip on his P365 and I that solved all the palm issues. So that changed the debate to P365XL & Hellcat Pro. IMO the longer barrel is worth it since that doesn't affect conceal carry. I have been researching the "numbers" way too long and here is one difference that I think affects how I grip both. When you align them at the beaver tail, the Hellcat/Pro has a bigger angle to trigger than P365/X/XL.
P365 vs Hellcat but it is same of XL/Pro. Hard to see white arrow which is aligned from Hellcat beaver tail to trigger.
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I have shot P365 and like it. Have not shot any Hellcat. Would appreciate any thoughts.
It was going to be P365. I have held Hellcat many times and each time the trigger guard hurts my middle finger knuckle. The P365 dug into palm. I could live with Sig imprints but just holding Hellcat in store made my knuckle complain.
Then friend put P365X grip on his P365 and I that solved all the palm issues. So that changed the debate to P365XL & Hellcat Pro. IMO the longer barrel is worth it since that doesn't affect conceal carry. I have been researching the "numbers" way too long and here is one difference that I think affects how I grip both. When you align them at the beaver tail, the Hellcat/Pro has a bigger angle to trigger than P365/X/XL.
P365 vs Hellcat but it is same of XL/Pro. Hard to see white arrow which is aligned from Hellcat beaver tail to trigger.
XL
- grip geometry is more comfortable (PRO is squarer and chunkier IMO)
- modular Sig ecosystem
- more 3rd party support
Pro
- 3 more rounds at the cost of the little extra jut out (see below) which could print more??? (Sig 15rd mag is a joke visually and sticks out way past Pro's flush 15rd mag)
- First Line comes with 3 15rd mag
- std 1913 rail for light
- rear iron sights remain when Red Dot installed
- better grip texture, feels more rubber than sandpaper
I have shot P365 and like it. Have not shot any Hellcat. Would appreciate any thoughts.
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While value is a subjective term, for me I have a few points about each considering I qualify for LEO/Mil pricing
$500 Hellcat Pro comes with 3 15rd mags and std 1913 rail for light
$510 XL 2 12rd mags
+$45 extra mag
+$30+/mag for Magguts still maxes it at 14rds
+$35-43 Std Dev rail adapter (depends on base or XL version) to put existing light on or buy new light made for P365 (TLR7sub $100+)
Compare apples to apples and the value is clearly HCP. When it comes to busting out my money, it is not fun knowing >$100 separates the two. (For those who don’t like SA, ok. I get it.)
now money aside, which gun is better? Probably not a way to answer that without personal bias. How it feels and shoots are going to differ person to person. What I was hoping for was direct XL to HCP pros and cons. I thank everyone for those inputs.
Lastly I think the Sig ecosystem and its modularity add a huge value that is hard to quantify but can not be ignored.
While I am planning a range trip to fire each, if I had to buy today, XL is front runner. I have shot base P365 and liked it. XL should be ”better”. My current EDC is XD-S Mod.1
(again anti-SA guys, I get it). So both XL (flush 12rd) or HCP are shorter than XDS w 9rd mag!
$500 Hellcat Pro comes with 3 15rd mags and std 1913 rail for light
$510 XL 2 12rd mags
+$45 extra mag
+$30+/mag for Magguts still maxes it at 14rds
+$35-43 Std Dev rail adapter (depends on base or XL version) to put existing light on or buy new light made for P365 (TLR7sub $100+)
Compare apples to apples and the value is clearly HCP. When it comes to busting out my money, it is not fun knowing >$100 separates the two. (For those who don’t like SA, ok. I get it.)
now money aside, which gun is better? Probably not a way to answer that without personal bias. How it feels and shoots are going to differ person to person. What I was hoping for was direct XL to HCP pros and cons. I thank everyone for those inputs.
Lastly I think the Sig ecosystem and its modularity add a huge value that is hard to quantify but can not be ignored.
While I am planning a range trip to fire each, if I had to buy today, XL is front runner. I have shot base P365 and liked it. XL should be ”better”. My current EDC is XD-S Mod.1
(again anti-SA guys, I get it). So both XL (flush 12rd) or HCP are shorter than XDS w 9rd mag!
There have been many threads on this.
For one, as you already pointed out, the Sig modularity and general aftermarket support are a big advantage.
Two, I think (and many others seem to agree) that the P365XL has a much better out-of-the-box trigger. I also can't stand 'dingus' triggers like the one on the HP. Some may care about this, some may not, but it matters to me and that's another reason I'd choose the P365XL.
Third - sights. I don't like the 'U-dot" sights that come on the HP. Of course they are replaceable, but I'd much rather have the Sig X-Ray sights right out of the box that I don't have to replace.
Fourth - it's a Sig, and not a Springfield.
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