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P365XL or Hellcat Pro

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Joined this forum years ago when I got P320F. Now in market for EDC upgrade.
It was going to be P365. I have held Hellcat many times and each time the trigger guard hurts my middle finger knuckle. The P365 dug into palm. I could live with Sig imprints but just holding Hellcat in store made my knuckle complain.

Then friend put P365X grip on his P365 and I that solved all the palm issues. So that changed the debate to P365XL & Hellcat Pro. IMO the longer barrel is worth it since that doesn't affect conceal carry. I have been researching the "numbers" way too long and here is one difference that I think affects how I grip both. When you align them at the beaver tail, the Hellcat/Pro has a bigger angle to trigger than P365/X/XL.

P365 vs Hellcat but it is same of XL/Pro. Hard to see white arrow which is aligned from Hellcat beaver tail to trigger.
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XL
  • grip geometry is more comfortable (PRO is squarer and chunkier IMO)
  • modular Sig ecosystem
  • more 3rd party support

Pro
  • 3 more rounds at the cost of the little extra jut out (see below) which could print more??? (Sig 15rd mag is a joke visually and sticks out way past Pro's flush 15rd mag)
  • First Line comes with 3 15rd mag
  • std 1913 rail for light
  • rear iron sights remain when Red Dot installed
  • better grip texture, feels more rubber than sandpaper
... for some reason, the knuckle issue was not a big deal the one time I held Pro in store. Maybe longer grip allowed a slightly lower grip which moved knuckle fully under the trigger guard as opposed to knuckle hitting more of the side of guard on std Hellcat???
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I have shot P365 and like it. Have not shot any Hellcat. Would appreciate any thoughts.
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P365x will fit both world .. 馃槅
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Not a fan of Springfield Armory.
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I own a P365X (wish I had bought the XL) and have shot a friends Hellcat. I didn't care for the trigger 'feel' of the Hellcat in the store either and they did not have one to shoot, so went with the 365.

Shooting the Hellcat is a different story tho. I was more accurate with it than the 365 from the 1st time I picked it up. I do like the sights better and the mags are easier to load. Trigger action/feel during actual firing was not an issue at all. Can't comment on the optic as I do not care for or use them.

Would I dump the 365 for one, no - but it would be a tough choice if I needed to replace the 365 for any reason !

HIGHLY recommend you spend some range time with each (preferably back-2-back in the same session) and evaluate how each feels in action before buying !
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When I bought my first P365, the XL and the Pro were not an option.

While I shot both equally well, the SIG felt like a better gun than the Hellcat.

When available, I wanted to try the bigger grip of the X/XL, so I bought the larger grip, for the increased capacity and a more comfortable and more hand filling grip.

This gave me the super concealable standard P365 and/or the higher capacity/better grip the X/XL.

Today, many companies (Wilson, Icarus, etc.) make different grips to meet every taste.
Something not even an option with the Hellcat/Pro.

Eventually I bought a XL slide and put a RDS on it.

The modularity of the P365 series made this a no brainer choice.
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The XL is hands-down the superior shooter. My brother has the standard Hellcat and Pro, and I have the P365 and XL. Both iterations of the Sig outshoot the respective Hellcats. The benefit of a lower bore axis and a modular design give it the nod, IMO.

The Hellcat Pro is a solid offering, but nothing about it makes it really edge out the P365XL in my eyes. Especially with Sig finally providing slides with proper rear sights. Don't get me wrong, an extra 3 rounds is great, but not at the cost of a bulkier, snappier gun. YMMV.
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In addition for the reasons above , 15rd extended mags can be had for the Sig as well. The mag just won鈥檛 be flush fit. I have both and always go back to the XL as my backup/CCW pistol as my primaries are full size pistols.
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Springfield makes a good gun but after much thought (like 10 minutes) I bought the Sig. Like it a lot.
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I was down to two guns. The Hellcat and the 365X. Bought the X, but the Hellcat has one of the most badass names in all the gUniverse. .
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I changed my 365 into a 365 X and made a good gun perfect.
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If you鈥檙e hung up on the capacity disparity you could add a +2 MagGuts kit any time in the future to the XL. Not really necessary, but if that鈥檚 a stumbling block for you it鈥檚 an option. They work perfectly btw.
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Springfield makes a good gun but after much thought (like 10 minutes) I bought the Sig. Like it a lot.
XL?
Love the XL. Its like it was built for my hands
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XL?
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Yes, the XL. It had the ROMEOZero and I ditched it. Got X-Ray rear sights from Sig and really love it.
Not a fan of Springfield Armory.
This.

Not that they don鈥檛 offer a generally solid pistol, but nothing they offer appeals to me on any way. I have a P365 which I converted to an X. I also have the XL which is the primary carry. Fits me and points POA naturally for me. 12+1 rounds in a flush fit is fine as I carry a 15-round spare. While the 15-rounder visually could (and should) have been made more appealing, functionally you don鈥檛 notice a difference in the hand or while shooting.
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Is there a serial number range of 365XL in regards to quality?
While value is a subjective term, for me I have a few points about each considering I qualify for LEO/Mil pricing
$500 Hellcat Pro comes with 3 15rd mags and std 1913 rail for light
$510 XL 2 12rd mags
+$45 extra mag
+$30+/mag for Magguts still maxes it at 14rds
+$35-43 Std Dev rail adapter (depends on base or XL version) to put existing light on or buy new light made for P365 (TLR7sub $100+)

Compare apples to apples and the value is clearly HCP. When it comes to busting out my money, it is not fun knowing >$100 separates the two. (For those who don鈥檛 like SA, ok. I get it.)

now money aside, which gun is better? Probably not a way to answer that without personal bias. How it feels and shoots are going to differ person to person. What I was hoping for was direct XL to HCP pros and cons. I thank everyone for those inputs.

Lastly I think the Sig ecosystem and its modularity add a huge value that is hard to quantify but can not be ignored.

While I am planning a range trip to fire each, if I had to buy today, XL is front runner. I have shot base P365 and liked it. XL should be 鈥漛etter鈥. My current EDC is XD-S Mod.1 :) (again anti-SA guys, I get it). So both XL (flush 12rd) or HCP are shorter than XDS w 9rd mag!
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Hands-down, no contest - the P365XL. The Hellcat Pro doesn't even come close.
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Hands-down, no contest - the P365XL. The Hellcat Pro doesn't even come close.
Why? Statements like that don鈥檛 mean anything other than you like it and/or hate the HCP.
What about XL is better for you? Have you shot both? Own both? A friend has one and you the other?
Why? Statements like that don鈥檛 mean anything other than you like it and/or hate the HCP.
What about XL is better for you? Have you shot both? Own both? A friend has one and you the other?
There have been many threads on this.

For one, as you already pointed out, the Sig modularity and general aftermarket support are a big advantage.

Two, I think (and many others seem to agree) that the P365XL has a much better out-of-the-box trigger. I also can't stand 'dingus' triggers like the one on the HP. Some may care about this, some may not, but it matters to me and that's another reason I'd choose the P365XL.

Third - sights. I don't like the 'U-dot" sights that come on the HP. Of course they are replaceable, but I'd much rather have the Sig X-Ray sights right out of the box that I don't have to replace.

Fourth - it's a Sig, and not a Springfield. ;)
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