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P365 to SAS Catch

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Speeddemon02

Discussion Starter · May 31, 2022

I do not have a way to catch myself on camera, but I have to assume its me that prevents the slide from locking on empty. I have tried looking for the SAS slide catch to replace the normal one it came with in hopes that helps, but cannot find any in stock. Does any one know a source or have one in a parts bin?

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ClayD

· #2 · May 31, 2022

Have you tried shooting it left-handed? That might tell you something.

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Heavy Industries

· #3 · May 31, 2022 (Edited)

Sig Sauer Slide Catch Lever, Flat, P365 SAS - Top Gun Supply

Sig Sauer Flat Slide Catch Lever and Spring, compatible with Sig Sauer P365 SAS Models.

www.topgunsupply.com

Have to sign up for the BIS notification.

I know guys here have swapped them out for the standard catches hopefully one will read this and sell/send you one.
I will say this... if you add the SAS style to a non SAS grip it will be very hard to engage even when you want to lol.
You will have to remove the little ledge off the standard grip to engage it.
You can see plainly here what I mean.
In keeping with the SAS spirit I filled and smoothed the rails as well.

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Speeddemon02

Discussion Starter · #4 · May 31, 2022

ClayD said:
Have you tried shooting it left-handed? That might tell you something.

Yes I have. I meant more of how my hand is engaging it versus whether it was.

Heavy Industries said:
Sig Sauer Slide Catch Lever, Flat, P365 SAS - Top Gun Supply

Sig Sauer Flat Slide Catch Lever and Spring, compatible with Sig Sauer P365 SAS Models.

www.topgunsupply.com

Have to sign up for the BIS notification.

I know guys here have swapped them out for the standard catches hopefully one will read this and sell/send you one.
I will say this... if you add the SAS style to a non SAS grip it will be very hard to engage even when you want to lol.
You will have to remove the little ledge off the standard grip to engage it.
You can see plainly here what I mean.
In keeping with the SAS spirit I filled and smoothed the rails as well.
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Less than 26 ounces holster bullets and all, perfect little 14+1 pocket pistol. (mag guts kit)
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Ya I am signed up, just worried it will be one of those products that will never be filled and discontinued like many other Sig products.

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gwes351

· #5 · Jun 1, 2022

I will echo what heavy industries pointed out: the SAS slide lever is specifically designed for the SAS - even so, I found it close to useless on a SAS gun. I worked with a student who had a SAS and both he and I struggled to use it effectively and I am far from a noob to the 365 series). Switching to it for a 365 will likely make that situation worse (as HI pointed out). As an alternative, have you considered working on your grip - specifically rt hand thumb location? I tweaked my gripe a bit and that has lessened the incidents of no slide lock back. When it does, its good practice for- a malf drill and quick mag change.

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Speeddemon02

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jun 1, 2022

Yes, I have years ago when I got it, but this is the only pistol that I have this issue with and the grip falls off quickly. Its either replace the gun with something else or replace the piece causing the issue. Rather replace the piece as I rarely use it.

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gwes351

· #7 · Jun 1, 2022

OP - a couple of other thoughts come to mind based on your latest post. My 365s and XLs I added talon grips to them so they fit my hand better. I actually used the talon grip and added extra material in a few spots - notably the backstrap area so it fills my palm fully. For me, that made a big difference - recoil does not now loosen my rt hand grip. The other is along this same thought - try a wilson grip module, which I am just now playing around with. It's just a bit wider that fills the hand more fully - again, securing the rt hand on the gun. Maybe you've looked into these ideas before, but thought I'd share.

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BitOfANoob

· #8 · Jun 1, 2022 (Edited)

Speeddemon02 said:
I do not have a way to catch myself on camera, but I have to assume its me that prevents the slide from locking on empty. I have tried looking for the SAS slide catch to replace the normal one it came with in hopes that helps, but cannot find any in stock. Does any one know a source or have one in a parts bin?

Just start training yourself now to point your strong hand thumb up in the air. Within a month or two it will happen without you thinking about it.

Likely culprit is the gun slipping out of your support hand in recoil and getting out of the way of your strong hand thumb. That's something else to fix, but, if your strong hand thumb is pointing up the slide release will at least do its job.

The only handgun I've had in my hands where my thumb can't reach the slide release has been the 1911 platform thus far, but that's just out of what I've had in my hands.

The other potential cause is limp wristing but I find that unlikely. I didn't encounter any malfunctions before I learned to stiffen my wrists.

One way to verify if it's you is to shoot the gun one handed with your left hand only. A single round per magazine is all it will take. If it's you causing it to happen it will lock back every time this way.

Both my support hand grip and figuring out how to keep my thumb off the slide release are things I've spent weeks to months correcting in dryfire with the P365 platform. Picking up something with a bigger grip at this point just feels easy.

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SpeeddemonO2

· #9 · Jun 2, 2022

gwes351 said:
OP - a couple of other thoughts come to mind based on your latest post. My 365s and XLs I added talon grips to them so they fit my hand better. I actually used the talon grip and added extra material in a few spots - notably the backstrap area so it fills my palm fully. For me, that made a big difference - recoil does not now loosen my rt hand grip. The other is along this same thought - try a wilson grip module, which I am just now playing around with. It's just a bit wider that fills the hand more fully - again, securing the rt hand on the gun. Maybe you've looked into these ideas before, but thought I'd share.

BitOfANoob said:
Just start training yourself now to point your strong hand thumb up in the air. Within a month or two it will happen without you thinking about it.

Likely culprit is the gun slipping out of your support hand in recoil and getting out of the way of your strong hand thumb. That's something else to fix, but, if your strong hand thumb is pointing up the slide release will at least do its job.

The only handgun I've had in my hands where my thumb can't reach the slide release has been the 1911 platform thus far, but that's just out of what I've had in my hands.

The other potential cause is limp wristing but I find that unlikely. I didn't encounter any malfunctions before I learned to stiffen my wrists.

One way to verify if it's you is to shoot the gun one handed with your left hand only. A single round per magazine is all it will take. If it's you causing it to happen it will lock back every time this way.

Both my support hand grip and figuring out how to keep my thumb off the slide release are things I've spent weeks to months correcting in dryfire with the P365 platform. Picking up something with a bigger grip at this point just feels easy.

Thanks for the input. Here is some more clarification. I have very large hands. My index finger extends beyond the frame. The meat of my left thumb while gripping touches the catch while resting. Flexed like while firing or doing other activities can engulf the catch. Half the shooting also will NOT be from the static standing position.

As previously mentioned I had trained to stay far away from the catch and it makes it awkward and very distracting considering the types of shooting involved when I use it. This is the only pistol with this issue and not my only pistol I train with.

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BitOfANoob

· #10 · Jun 2, 2022 (Edited)

SpeeddemonO2 said:
Thanks for the input. Here is some more clarification. I have very large hands. My index finger extends beyond the frame. The meat of my left thumb while gripping touches the catch while resting. Flexed like while firing or doing other activities can engulf the catch. Half the shooting also will NOT be from the static standing position.

As previously mentioned I had trained to stay far away from the catch and it makes it awkward and very distracting considering the types of shooting involved when I use it. This is the only pistol with this issue and not my only pistol I train with.

Below is my XL..note the end of the grip module, not the slide.

So check it.. even with the wilson combat grip modules which increase the size of the grip in every direction, I have to open my strong hand slightly if I want to have any room for my support hand palm. My palm touches just under the slide controls. My support hand index finger is touching the mag release on the other side so I can actually clamp down for traction.

Lately, I've been lowering my thumb down to the trigger guard because it pushes the meat of my palm into the thumb groove.

I do not have to do this kind of madness with a larger gun and larger grip. But the P365 fits in my freaking pocket with 10+1 9mm so.. frankly I accept that I'm a little slower with it and that it demands more attention to detail than something with a fat chunky grip like say my Glock 19.

Fundamentals are fundamentals but when you're talking about a 9mm that's smaller than my hand, there are things that I do specifically with the P365 that I do not have to with other handguns.

Figure out how to get off the slide release. That's what the guns asking you to do if it's not malfunctioning.

Sorry.. not trying to sound bossy or snide. I've just had to put a metric ton of thought into how to approach the tiny gun with my hands.

Or.. you can do the SAS slide catch and grind away the nub on the grip module afaik. Changing how you hold this gun specifically though is just a matter of building muscle memory through slow repetition until you no longer have to consciously think about it.

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SpeeddemonO2

· #11 · 12 mo ago

If anyone was looking for the flat (SAS) slide catch, I contacted SIG directly and the guy had a few laying about and shipped one too me.

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