Add a magguts to the 10 round mag and you have a 12 round mag in the size of a 10 that feeds reliably.
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P365 11 Round Magazine?
Does anyone know if someone makes a magazine for the P365 that holds 11 rounds and is flush for the P365 non-XL? Kind of similar to the 18 round Mec-Gar magazines for the P226? I know the Springfield Hellcat holds 11 rounds in the mag, I really prefer the ergonomics of the P365, but that extra round just keeps bothering me, lol.
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Nice! I appreciate the tip, this is exactly what I was looking for.
Aernt you in commifornia any way
What I tell my students when asked, is to verify the function of your mags - even the new factory ones (from SIG in this case). Especially do this with your carry ammo (I know - expensive - but what's your life worth again?). And if you go after market for a carry mag (mags, mag springs, followers etc) be sure to fully confirm they function - for me it's at least several hundred rounds in total (various practice ammo, but carry ammo as well). I'll also share that my personal experience with after market pistol mags is spotty - so much so that there are few I trust now (any mecgar and magpul glock mags is about it). As for after market mag parts, I've successfully used some known "+ percent" springs (that do not change capacity). Magguts specifically did not work in my G43, but I know some like them a lot, but, others like me have had issues.
As for 10 +1, versus 11+ 1 - my experience in "carry" class/self defense scenario training (where you shoot fast and at multiple targets) is you do not/will not remember how many rounds you just shot out of how many you know you started with. Even in this lower stress training situation your brain focuses immediately on the "threat" and you engage as appropriate - you shoot enough rounds to neutralize it (maybe with a few rounds left), or to slide lock and then fast mag change and re-engage. Based on this training, fast mag changes then smooth slide release are more important to me personally. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
As for 10 +1, versus 11+ 1 - my experience in "carry" class/self defense scenario training (where you shoot fast and at multiple targets) is you do not/will not remember how many rounds you just shot out of how many you know you started with. Even in this lower stress training situation your brain focuses immediately on the "threat" and you engage as appropriate - you shoot enough rounds to neutralize it (maybe with a few rounds left), or to slide lock and then fast mag change and re-engage. Based on this training, fast mag changes then smooth slide release are more important to me personally. Just thought I'd share some thoughts.
Mostly yes, but I spend summers in Arizona where I get to feel what living in the USA feels likeAernt you in commifornia any way
.Having moved up from carrying a 5-6-7 round gun and doing the +1 in the chamber loading thing (which increases the risk of an ND - the only arguable part is how much) to carrying a 10 shot which is +4, not so much. I stopped the +1 thing - the slight incremental need isn't really there. Two mags carrying 20 with one reload is definitely better then three mags carrying 18 with 2 reloads. You eliminate 50% on reloading down time, when the pistol is out of action. Few actually carry the second reload, tho, leaving it 12 or so. But 12 < 20, yet it's ok. This is where that "something" that bothers us finally needs it's share of whackamole time. It's not logical.
There's a limit to capacity as it is - carrying twice the ammo is already hitting the bumpstops with a spare mag, a practice only recently adopted. Ten years ago it was only LEO's who bothered, a job requirement they kept doing after hours. But, it got out as a recommendation and Lo! Cops Do It! being a mantra, we adopted it, too. We went from a mag in the gun, to +1, to +1 and a spare mag for 13, now its 10 in the mag (minimum) and +1, with a spare for 21.
I can carry a Canik TP9SF with 18 +1 for 19, and a spare 18, for a total of 37 . . . where do we finally draw a line? Comfort. Too many pounds in a loadout, something will get trimmed. 6" fixed blade? 3 D cell Maglite? Cuffs? IFAK? GMRS family walkie talkie? Backup .38 in an ankle holster? I might suggest trimming the wallet first - it's really not a good thing to carry a leather filing cabinet with the last years receipts . . .
Two ten round mags is my limit, the EDC intrudes on the pocket space as it is.
There's a limit to capacity as it is - carrying twice the ammo is already hitting the bumpstops with a spare mag, a practice only recently adopted. Ten years ago it was only LEO's who bothered, a job requirement they kept doing after hours. But, it got out as a recommendation and Lo! Cops Do It! being a mantra, we adopted it, too. We went from a mag in the gun, to +1, to +1 and a spare mag for 13, now its 10 in the mag (minimum) and +1, with a spare for 21.
I can carry a Canik TP9SF with 18 +1 for 19, and a spare 18, for a total of 37 . . . where do we finally draw a line? Comfort. Too many pounds in a loadout, something will get trimmed. 6" fixed blade? 3 D cell Maglite? Cuffs? IFAK? GMRS family walkie talkie? Backup .38 in an ankle holster? I might suggest trimming the wallet first - it's really not a good thing to carry a leather filing cabinet with the last years receipts . . .
Two ten round mags is my limit, the EDC intrudes on the pocket space as it is.
I will always have at least one functional 10 round magazine with a flush basepad for my standard P365 and it's the mag that's going to be loaded and in the gun 99% of the time. It's pretty much the limit of how long the grip can be and still work as a pocket pistol. (for me)
I keep a spare 12 or 15rd mag in the other pocket. I have a pocket option that offers 26 total rounds of 9mm JHP with a single mag change. For me personally that's the definition of the platform.
I tried a magguts kit on one of my 10 rounders and don't like it for the same reason I didn't like the pinky extension personally.
If I were wearing it on my belt I'd probably opt for 12+1 using an oem baseplate, or maybe just grab my XL.
I keep a spare 12 or 15rd mag in the other pocket. I have a pocket option that offers 26 total rounds of 9mm JHP with a single mag change. For me personally that's the definition of the platform.
I tried a magguts kit on one of my 10 rounders and don't like it for the same reason I didn't like the pinky extension personally.
If I were wearing it on my belt I'd probably opt for 12+1 using an oem baseplate, or maybe just grab my XL.
I would say, WE don't draw the line, each individual needs to draw their own line. It is what being a free person is all about. It use to be what being a Free Country was all about. That place does not exist as we use to know it.Having moved up from carrying a 5-6-7 round gun and doing the +1 in the chamber loading thing (which increases the risk of an ND - the only arguable part is how much) to carrying a 10 shot which is +4, not so much. I stopped the +1 thing - the slight incremental need isn't really there. Two mags carrying 20 with one reload is definitely better then three mags carrying 18 with 2 reloads. You eliminate 50% on reloading down time, when the pistol is out of action. Few actually carry the second reload, tho, leaving it 12 or so. But 12 < 20, yet it's ok. This is where that "something" that bothers us finally needs it's share of whackamole time. It's not logical.
There's a limit to capacity as it is - carrying twice the ammo is already hitting the bumpstops with a spare mag, a practice only recently adopted. Ten years ago it was only LEO's who bothered, a job requirement they kept doing after hours. But, it got out as a recommendation and Lo! Cops Do It! being a mantra, we adopted it, too. We went from a mag in the gun, to +1, to +1 and a spare mag for 13, now its 10 in the mag (minimum) and +1, with a spare for 21.
I can carry a Canik TP9SF with 18 +1 for 19, and a spare 18, for a total of 37 . . . where do we finally draw a line? Comfort. Too many pounds in a loadout, something will get trimmed. 6" fixed blade? 3 D cell Maglite? Cuffs? IFAK? GMRS family walkie talkie? Backup .38 in an ankle holster? I might suggest trimming the wallet first - it's really not a good thing to carry a leather filing cabinet with the last years receipts . . .
Two ten round mags is my limit, the EDC intrudes on the pocket space as it is.
I gather you want 11 but not the 10+1 configuration. It's all about choices and comfort. That said, I would go for the 12 with the flat base.
If you're okay with 10+1 in the chamber, the stock 10 will accommodate that...load the 10, insert the mag, slide 1 in the chamber, pull out the mag, add one and put the mag back in. Set your safety (if you have one) and strap it on.
You can also buy a spare XL frame and that will give you extra grip length...
Options are wonderful...
If you're okay with 10+1 in the chamber, the stock 10 will accommodate that...load the 10, insert the mag, slide 1 in the chamber, pull out the mag, add one and put the mag back in. Set your safety (if you have one) and strap it on.
You can also buy a spare XL frame and that will give you extra grip length...
Options are wonderful...
I remain skeptical of messing with OEM mags, or using aftermarket mags for that matter.
For the OP, I understand how things can 'bug' you, but this may not be one to pursue. GWES351 is spot on about testing a modded mag, work that SIG has already done at some length for the OEMs. (Let's remember that we still find fault here with even the factory stuff. Then, even the most diligent aftermarket guys can't match a major manufacturer.)
One of the reasons to buy SIGs is their expected reliability, and factory support for any problems that arise. Adding another variable to that equation does what?
I'm happy with 10 rounds (ecstatic, actually), and don't even add the Barney bullet; no need to further compress the mag spring.
But that's me; it's your call, OP.
Moon
For the OP, I understand how things can 'bug' you, but this may not be one to pursue. GWES351 is spot on about testing a modded mag, work that SIG has already done at some length for the OEMs. (Let's remember that we still find fault here with even the factory stuff. Then, even the most diligent aftermarket guys can't match a major manufacturer.)
One of the reasons to buy SIGs is their expected reliability, and factory support for any problems that arise. Adding another variable to that equation does what?
I'm happy with 10 rounds (ecstatic, actually), and don't even add the Barney bullet; no need to further compress the mag spring.
But that's me; it's your call, OP.
Moon
With the XL grip, you can use the available 10 round XL mags in states that require itI gather you want 11 but not the 10+1 configuration. It's all about choices and comfort.
That said, I would go for the 12 with the flat base.
If you're okay with 10+1 in the chamber, the stock 10 will accommodate that...
load the 10, insert the mag, slide 1 in the chamber, pull out the mag, add one and put the mag back in.
Set your safety (if you have one) and strap it on.
You can also buy a spare XL frame and that will give you extra grip length...
Options are wonderful...
and simply insert a 12 rounder when in more constitutional states...
The magguts kits are just a combination of a new baseplate, a completely different type of spring and a replacement follower. I have them on my 12 round magazines for my XL, and 14 rounds fit with more room to spare than 12 rounds did with the OEM mags. It's a pretty simple process to swap your oem spring and follower for the magguts kit, and also easily reversed.'m happy with 10 rounds (ecstatic, actually), and don't even add the Barney bullet; no need to further compress the mag spring.
Don't get me wrong though. a flush OEM 10 round mag in my standard model P365 is still my choice of carry, but it's mostly because it offers the least amount of grip length, which works better in my pocket.
I have a magguts kit on one of my 10 round magazines, and it's about on par with the OEM pinky extension for the 10 round mag. I've been carrying it as a spare, because it would go back in my pocket holster easier than the OEM 12 rounders.
I don't blame you for sticking with OEM. Nothing wrong with that. I take extra care when loading my +2 mags to make sure the follower doesn't take a nose dive, but I've put hundreds of rounds through them without fail and it'd take me like a minute and a half to to reverse them to OEM, which may need to come apart for cleaning some day anyway.
Someone asked about carrying magazines iwth a capacity of greater than 10 rounds in California. Unless you are law enforcement, in which case the magazine limit does not apply, my feeling is you are not likely to need a larger capacity mag, but if you do the hell with the law. It is only a misdemeanor. Were I for some reason gong to to into harms way, and I couldn't find a way to avoid taking the risk, I am taking large capacity magazines. The same is true of my night stand weapon. Heaven forbid it is ever needed, but if it is I would the extra rounds if I could get large capacity magazines. BTW, enforcement of California's law barring large capacity magazines is stayed pending appeals.
PS. In California the term 'large capacity magazine" means a magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds of the calibre for which the weapon was manufactured.
PS. In California the term 'large capacity magazine" means a magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds of the calibre for which the weapon was manufactured.
Magguts seem like a good product, but I'll stick with my 10 and 12 rounders on the 365. Has anyone heard of them failing?
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