[TheKulakKing]

Thanks for your thorough review of the XTen! New to guns but am loving mine! Sorry to hear about your health issues, will be sending some prayers to the Big Man Upstairs!!!

 

[PhillyShooter]

Hi,

Thanks for the great info. I have an XTen and have put about 300 rounds through it. I've tried BB, Underwood, Sig, SB, and Blazer.

I've had good luck with everything except BB 220. It would hang up in the magazine.

One question I have for the group, has anyone had issues with pulling back the slide when the mag has 15 rounds in it?

Mine is nearly impossible. It's been back to Sig and they pronounced it ok, although they replaced the mags.

I setup a test today and with 15 in the mag it takes 46% more force than it does with 14 in the mag. 35lbs vs 24lbs.

I feel like, if I'm using it as a bear defense weapon and I want to carry it without a round in the chamber, it's really a 14 round gun. I can't consistently rack the slide with 15 in the chamber. Unless I get ideal purchase on the slide cuts, my hands are dead dry, and I ate my Wheaties, it doesn't come back for me. I know there are those who will say "grow a pair" or whatever. But I've handed this gun to two other friends and they can't rack it either.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

Thanks!

 

[ddc]

Hi,

Thanks for the great info. I have an XTen and have put about 300 rounds through it. I've tried BB, Underwood, Sig, SB, and Blazer.

I've had good luck with everything except BB 220. It would hang up in the magazine.

One question I have for the group, has anyone had issues with pulling back the slide when the mag has 15 rounds in it?

Mine is nearly impossible. It's been back to Sig and they pronounced it ok, although they replaced the mags.

I setup a test today and with 15 in the mag it takes 46% more force than it does with 14 in the mag. 35lbs vs 24lbs.

I feel like, if I'm using it as a bear defense weapon and I want to carry it without a round in the chamber, it's really a 14 round gun. I can't consistently rack the slide with 15 in the chamber. Unless I get ideal purchase on the slide cuts, my hands are dead dry, and I ate my Wheaties, it doesn't come back for me. I know there are those who will say "grow a pair" or whatever. But I've handed this gun to two other friends and they can't rack it either.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

Thanks!

What you describe is very common when magazines are loaded to their maximum possible capacity.

That is just a fact of life.

Some people seem to think that it is a design flaw when they discover how difficult it can be to cycle the slide under the circumstances you describe.

Some guns behave better than others. Two guns, apparently identical, one might be easier to deal with than the other.

It is a situation you need to be aware of and figure out how you are going to work around it.

Furthermore I question the utility of a bear defense weapon without a round in the chamber. That seems very strange.

 

[PhillyShooter]

Thanks.

I dont see this as a "fact of life". I see it as a design flaw. A fact of life is death and taxes. A design flaw is something that can easily be worked around.

This is the only pistol I own that has this issue. I have four other Sig pistols. As well as many from other brands. Some pistols might be slightly more difficult to pull the slide back when full. But none are anywhere near this level of effort. It's basically impossible to consider reliable with 15 rounds in it.

Regardless of my personal choice to carry a pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber, it should be possible for a 240lb 6'1" mechanic (strong hands) to rack the slide.

Googling around about this, I see many others with the same problem.

The issue with XTens is simple. The magazine was designed slightly too short. When it's fully loaded there is too much upward pressure on the slide and there isn't enough room in the mag to move the top round down. So you end up flexing the gun to rack it. Not good.

So either Sig fixes it, or this is a 14 round gun.

 

[overhybrids]

Would any of the aftermarket magazine bases work/help with this?

 

[PhillyShooter]

That could work. I didn't know they were available. Googling, I just see one from "SigGuy". But they're +5 rounds. I'd rather not have a very extended magazine.

Do you know any that extended it less?

 

[ddc]

Thanks.

I dont see this as a "fact of life". I see it as a design flaw. A fact of life is death and taxes. A design flaw is something that can easily be worked around.

This is the only pistol I own that has this issue. I have four other Sig pistols. As well as many from other brands. Some pistols might be slightly more difficult to pull the slide back when full. But none are anywhere near this level of effort. It's basically impossible to consider reliable with 15 rounds in it.

Regardless of my personal choice to carry a pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber, it should be possible for a 240lb 6'1" mechanic (strong hands) to rack the slide.

Googling around about this, I see many others with the same problem.

The issue with XTens is simple. The magazine was designed slightly too short. When it's fully loaded there is too much upward pressure on the slide and there isn't enough room in the mag to move the top round down. So you end up flexing the gun to rack it. Not good.

So either Sig fixes it, or this is a 14 round gun.

I'd be surprised, but quite happy, if Sig fixes anything.
Sig should just have marketed the gun as having a 14 round capacity.
They wanted to push the limits of the real estate they deemed available as to compete with other 10mm options.
They got burned; another silly millimeter would probably have done the trick.

I've googled for aftermarket base pads for P320 45/10 magazines. I'm not seeing any.

For the 9mm P320 the TTI+2 base pad allows 23 rounds in lieu of the stock 21 rounds and doesn't create any extra length.
The 23rd round is a tight fit and there are similar issues with racking the slide with the mag fully loaded but not nearly as bad as you are describing.
With 22 rounds they work quite well and that is an increase over the stock capacity so we can be hopeful for a similar future with the X10.

I wouldn't be surprised if TTI,Springer,Henning comes up with something for the X10 but who knows...

 

[Emmerdeur]

All they would have had to do is make the base plate 1/4” deeper. Maybe 3/8”. The X-ten is the only gun I own that does this but I will adapt.
As far as bear country, IMO if you don’t have a round already chambered your gun will be useless.

 

[sparkyv]

I decided not to adapt. The XTEN is gone and this is in its place. So far, so good with 11 rounders and 15 rounders.

The X-ten is the only gun I own that does this but I will adapt.

 

[Mongo356]

Sig should just have marketed the gun as having a 14 round capacity.
They wanted to push the limits of the real estate they deemed available as to compete with other 10mm options.
They got burned

I thought the max mag capacity thing was common knowledge. Several firearms can do this. AR15s with a 30rd mag are difficult to seat on a closed bolt.
I agree its probably an effort to have 1 more bullet in the mag vs the competition. I just don't see 14 vs 15 making a big difference....I must be missing something?
If SIG would have said it was 14rd and someone crammed 15 in, people would be talking about the super cool secret trick on the Xten that puts it above the rest- kinda like ghost loading a semi auto mossberg-lol.

 

[Emmerdeur]

I decided not to adapt. The XTEN is gone and this is in its place. So far, so good with 11 rounders and 15 rounders. View attachment 513924

Well I have one of those as well and I prefer it over the X-Ten at the moment.

 

[FORCE RECON]

I called sig the other day after the rear sight and optics cover plate flew off my M18 while shooting it. Took them 3 hours to get the parts off to fed ex and received them 2 days later I also mentioned that I couldn’t get 15 rounds into my x- ten mags and the rep said that it’s because of the incredibly strong springs that they use. He said to leave them loaded all the time and eventually they would take the 15’th round

This is my policy for all modern hi-cap handgun mags, which seem to require maglulas to be fully loaded when new! Wasn't that way in the past.

I do the same for rifle/PCC mags when newish, although can typically load them fully by hand.

 

[FORCE RECON]

Thanks.

I dont see this as a "fact of life". I see it as a design flaw. A fact of life is death and taxes. A design flaw is something that can easily be worked around.

This is the only pistol I own that has this issue. I have four other Sig pistols. As well as many from other brands. Some pistols might be slightly more difficult to pull the slide back when full. But none are anywhere near this level of effort. It's basically impossible to consider reliable with 15 rounds in it.

Regardless of my personal choice to carry a pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber, it should be possible for a 240lb 6'1" mechanic (strong hands) to rack the slide.

Googling around about this, I see many others with the same problem.

The issue with XTens is simple. The magazine was designed slightly too short. When it's fully loaded there is too much upward pressure on the slide and there isn't enough room in the mag to move the top round down. So you end up flexing the gun to rack it. Not good.

So either Sig fixes it, or this is a 14 round gun.

Sig should address it with Gen 2 mags then.
Sounds like the Xten itself is fine.