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P226 slide assembly on a P220 frame?

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So I read a post here some time ago, about the P220 and P226 using the same 22 conversion kit. I have a police trade in, P226 slide assembly in 357 Sig. The only P226 frame that I have is an early Legion model. Not wanting to risk any wear on that frame, away from its mating slide, I was wonder if that trade in slide would work on any of the several P220 frames that I also have?
The slide assembly in 357 is at a friends house (so that he could try it out on his P226), so I can’t try it myself at this time. And, I haven’t considered it until now…when I can’t check it out..
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No a 226 slide will NOT work on a 220.
The lock up lug position on the barrels is in a different location. Not to mention there are no magazines designed to feed any kind of ammo for this kind of swap.
Centerfired versions are different, as the barrel tilts to lock up in the slide, while rimfires do not, since they are simple blow back operation.

While the P226 9mm Barrel, can be used as a replacement, for the 9mm version of the P220, the Locking Inserts, for .45 and 9mm versions are different. So without the proper Locking Insert, the Barrel cannot function in the slide correctly.

Essentially except for rim fire Conversions, slides can only function on the sameodel frames. Even 10mm P220 slide assemblies, will only work on 10mm frames and not .45 frames, as the Locking Inserts, are different, and not interchangeable, even between different models.
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No a 226 slide will NOT work on a 220.
The lock up lug position on the barrels is in a different location. Not to mention there are no magazines designed to feed any kind of ammo for this kind of swap.
Thanks,
I didn’t think that it would work. As far as the magazines go, I have some P220 9mm mags that the 357 Sig ammo fits in. I tried that before posting the question about the slide. There are actually several manufacturers magazines that feed both 9mm/40 S&W cartridges. I didn’t think 357 Sig would be too much of a stretch…

Either way, it looks like a police trade in P226 in 40 is in my future.
Centerfired versions are different, as the barrel tilts to lock up in the slide, while rimfires do not, since they are simple blow back operation.

While the P226 9mm Barrel, can be used as a replacement, for the 9mm version of the P220, the Locking Inserts, for .45 and 9mm versions are different. So without the proper Locking Insert, the Barrel cannot function in the slide correctly.

Essentially except for rim fire Conversions, slides can only function on the sameodel frames. Even 10mm P220 slide assemblies, will only work on 10mm frames and not .45 frames, as the Locking Inserts, are different, and not interchangeable, even between different models.
Thanks! A lot of good information there.
Thanks,
I didn’t think that it would work. As far as the magazines go, I have some P220 9mm mags that the 357 Sig ammo fits in. I tried that before posting the question about the slide. There are actually several manufacturers magazines that feed both 9mm/40 S&W cartridges. I didn’t think 357 Sig would be too much of a stretch…

Either way, it looks like a police trade in P226 in 40 is in my future.
Just an FYI, in Sig P226 magazines only the ones marked 40/357 will feed those correctly. The 9mm magazine is to narrow to feed the others. Others have tried to use the 40/357 mags to feed 9mm… it doesn’t work well at all.
Whoa! I'm surprised you could fit 357 SIG rounds into a 9mm magazine! The diameter of the 357 case is 1.0mm larger than that of the 9mm case (10.0mm vs. 9.0mm). There must be some deformation in the mags to allow this. If not, I bet some deformation will occur should you try this combination while firing the weapon.
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Maliious Compliance, .357 Sig rounds should fit into a 10mm P220 Magazine. but doubtful an OEM 9mm P220 Magazine... while maybe possible in a Triple K 9mm Magazine...
Maliious Compliance, .357 Sig rounds should fit into a 10mm P220 Magazine. but doubtful an OEM 9mm P220 Magazine... while maybe possible in a Triple K 9mm Magazine...
I thought it was stated they fit in a 9mm magazine.
I thought it was stated they fit in a 9mm magazine.
That's why I mentioned the Triple K as possibly looder in tolerance, as well as the 10mm in case the OP was confused. Having not had one to compare, they look to be essentially .45 tubes with the narrowed guide ribs only allowing a 9mm case neck, but behind the guide ribs could be wide enough for a .357 Sig, but does the spacer at the rear of the tube allow enough length. Essentially just as the 10mm magazines are built... so if worn, the 9mm guide ribs may have allowed the .357 Sig to fit, but maybe not enough to function reliably.

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Man, @Williard, you know how to create an
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Luckily I could find one of my pre-1980 P220 9mm heel release mags. In the middle of a move, felt fortunate finding a 357 case.

It seems to fit the mag and I would expect acceptance to a 10mm, but not a 9mm, slide

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Man, @Williard, you know how to create an
itch I need to scratch! lol

Luckily I could find one of my pre-1980 P220 9mm heel release mags. In the middle of a move, felt fortunate finding a 357 case.

It seems to fit the mag and I would expect acceptance to a 10mm, but not a 9mm, slide

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The .357 Sig, definitely wouldn't slide up the breech cut while loading up from the Magazine. While it fits at the top of the stack, I wonder how it would function further down?
I found a 50 cal can full of 357 reloads. I'll fill the mag and try cycling with a P220 in 45 and 10mm. Most likely tomorrow afternoon.

I'll need to figure out how to cycle these as I no longer have a heel release P220 (but that was 9mm anyway).
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I found a 50 cal can full of 357 reloads. I'll fill the mag and try cycling with a P220 in 45 and 10mm. Most likely tomorrow afternoon.

I'll need to figure out how to cycle these as I no longer have a heel release P220 (but that was 9mm anyway).
If you had E2 grips for the 10mm P220, I'd suggest duct tape...
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My other suggestion involved using longer lower grip screws, and 30# Braided Fishing line... 🤨
Whoa! I'm surprised you could fit 357 SIG rounds into a 9mm magazine! The diameter of the 357 case is 1.0mm larger than that of the 9mm case (10.0mm vs. 9.0mm). There must be some deformation in the mags to allow this. If not, I bet some deformation will occur should you try this combination while firing the weapon.
It’s actually about 0.9 different. 9mm case is 9.85mm and 10mm is 10.74mm.

Sorry when you reload for decades you tend to know actual measurements because they’re important.
@Willard, I tried the fishing line, and it worked for a bit. Then I jammed some modeling clay into the mag well to hold the heel release mag in place! lol jk

I opened the 50 cal can to find it full of Lawman! Score! I was able to load eight 357 SIG rounds into the 9mm heel release mag. Put the mag into the 10mm P220; it fits pretty tightly but dropped down about 1/8" as I released hand pressure on the mag so a round would not cycle. By pressing the mag base plate down on the bench and up into the mag well, I could hand cycle rounds through the 10mm. Each time I racked the slide, a round ejected properly, and the next round chambered; all eight rounds fed successfully! I cycled the full magazine three times through each handgun.

Then to the 45 ACP P220. Similar issue with the mag; it fits nicely into the mag well but dropped down about 1/8" again, preventing successful cycling. Pressing down with the mag base plate on the bench could cycle the rounds. However, rather than ejecting out the ejection port, the rounds trickled out the front of the barrel. I checked the ejector, and it was fine; the 357 rim was just a bit too small to be retained by the ejector hook.

As I am unwilling to fire 357 rounds through either 10mm or 45 handguns, this is about as close as I can bring this study.
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It’s actually about 0.9 different. 9mm case is 9.85mm and 10mm is 10.74mm.

Sorry when you reload for decades you tend to know actual measurements because they’re important.
The tolerance stack of the 9mm vs. 10mm rim sizes (the critical feature for this discussion, IMHO) shows that the delta can range between 0.535mm and 1.035mm. That is, using these dims for rim diameter -

9mm - 10.01mm +0.0/-0.25
10mm - 10.795mm +0.0/-0.25
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MC, what's the difference in Magazine width between the 10mm, 9mm, and .45 Magazines? I could see, where the 9mm Magazine may expand in width a bit, to accept the larger case neck diameter, over the 9mm, likely causing the tight fit in the magazine well, but not enough to create at least a slow speed loading from hand cycling.

I don't blame you, as this is not a "shooting" solution! To try .357 Sig in a P220, I would suggest a Bar-Sto Barrel set up to function in a 10mm P220, and actually use a 10mm Magazine, with a spacer along the rear spine, allowing proper presentation for either the .357 Sig, or .40 S&W to create a 3 caliber P220. Of course, a properly calibrated Recoil Spring assembly, would need to be worked out.
I've been looking for one of my stainless ACTs. No luck; here's what I have:

pre-1980 phosphate 9mm - NOS - 13.82mm
Mecgar stainless 45 ACP - several hundred rounds run through it - 13.85mm
Mecgar blued 10mm - less than 50 rounds run - 13.76mm

ETA: these measurements were taken at about the middle of the tube, between the 5 and 6 on the newer mags.
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