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NFA Engraving

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Read this on the "truth about guns" website. Would you regard this as accurate?
Seems to make sense at least.

"According to the ATF, the process of creating an NFA device (even if it only means adding a
stock to the gun) constitutes “remanufacturing” the firearm.

As such, you (the maker of a firearm and the person who filed the Form 1) become the licensed
manufacturer of the NFA gun. In theory, this means that the firearm needs your information
(name or trust name and city/state) marked on it as well, but according to the ATF, that might not
be the case.

If you manufacture a NFA device from an existing firearm, according to the ATF you
DO NOT need to immediately engrave your information into the firearm. Much like
how firearms manufactured from a 80% lower receiver don’t require engraving upon
completion,the ATF believes that the mere act of manufacture of an existing NFA device
doesn’t require additional engraving.

The existing serial number is sufficient for identification. So, when do you need to engrave
your Form 1’ed SBR? The answer: when you intend to sell it. The same holds true for a
silencer if you made application to make it yourself. Engraving requirements apply to
firearms that are intended for sale in interstate commerce, so when you go to sell your
gun you’re going to need to have it engraved."
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I'm no lawyer or revenuer, but something seems off about that position.

It seems they are saying a Form 1 suppressor could have no identifying information at all. How would you even complete the Form 1 since it has a required field for model and SN?
It seems they are saying a Form 1 suppressor could have no identifying information at all. How would you even complete the Form 1 since it has a required field for model and SN?
No idea. I'm sure there's someone on here that's built a suppressor and can explain.
No idea. I'm sure there's someone on here that's built a suppressor and can explain.
I have, and the Form 1 required a model and serial number. I'm sure one would be denied if those fields were left blank.

Same would apply for an SBR/SBS/AOW made from a receiver flat or 80% receiver. (Though I doubt many, if any, have done that.)
I think the authors point was, aside from the existing make/serial numbers, you don't need to
engrave any additional information unless you sell it. He doesn't quite word it that way but I
believe that was his intent.
I think the authors point was, aside from the existing make/serial numbers, you don't need to
engrave any additional information unless you sell it. He doesn't quite word it that way but I
believe that was his intent.
I guess I see his point, but the situation might be sticky if you were found to have a self made suppressor in your possession with no identifying information.
Ive heard this and believe it to be accurate but I would still engrave it to be safe.
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Ive heard this and believe it to be accurate but I would still engrave it to be safe.
Right. I was only asking as I thought engraving was 100% mandatory, His article seems
to poke a few holes in that. And it even makes sense, although NFA makes little sense
elsewhere.
I've seen Form 1s declined because they did not include the phrase, "Gun Marked: Last name, City, State". And I've also seen Form 1s approved with an annotation that states, "Must mark gun with Last name, City, State".

As a matter of routine, I add the "Gun Marked: Last Name, City, State" on all my Form 1 submissions.

No idea what the current thought process is at ATF in terms of approving forms that don't explicitly state they're marked so, but fairly confident that you'd be in hot water if you had an NFA item without the makers name/city/state on it if push came to shove.
I've seen Form 1s declined because they did not include the phrase, "Gun Marked: Last name, City, State". And I've also seen Form 1s approved with an annotation that states, "Must mark gun with Last name, City, State".

As a matter of routine, I add the "Gun Marked: Last Name, City, State" on all my Form 1 submissions.

No idea what the current thought process is at ATF in terms of approving forms that don't explicitly state they're marked so, but fairly confident that you'd be in hot water if you had an NFA item without the makers name/city/state on it if push came to shove.
In box 4H I just put in as an "additional description" the markings on the
lower receiver to include all engravings. Keep in mind I'm only attaching
a stock to a pistol. Guess we'll see if it gets kicked back,
A'yep. They'll probably just annotate block 4H "Receiver Marked: Last name, City, State". That's how it was on the last few forms I did.

Also, I just looked at a Form 1 - See instruction 2J:

"Description of Firearm and Markings. (1) Item 4a. If you are modifying an
existing firearm, enter the name and location of the original manufacturer.
If you are creating the firearm, enter the maker’s name, city andstate.
(2) Item 4b. The types of NFA firearms are listed in the definitions; (3) Item
4c. Specify one caliber or gauge. If there is another designation, indicate
the designation in item 4h. (4) Item 4d. Show the model designation (if
known). (5) Item 4e and 4f. Specify one barrel length and overall length in
items 4e and 4f as applicable. Note: if the firearm has a folding or
collapsible stock, the overall measurement is to be made with the stock
extended. (6) Item 4g. Do not alter or modify the serial number of an
existing firearm . Enter the existing serial number or, if a new firearm, one
you create. (7) Markings: The maker is required to mark the firearm with
his or her name, city and state.
All markings are to be in compliance with
27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102."
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Thanks Dan I was using this as my guide for form 1. If you can cut through the chatter
and BS, it seems informative.

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