[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

Who had this problem recently?

Having issues with my brand new P220 SAS Gen 2 Carry failing to drop the hammer.

Found this.

The magazine body seems to be pressing on the inside face of the trigger bar towards the front, allowing the tab on the trigger bar to slip past the one on the sear. Happens to some degree with any magazine I try (I have quite a few).

Different magazines can make it better/worse.
Some mags make it happen with every (attempted) shot.
With no magazine, the trigger bar engages the sear's tab 100% of the time, but it is "on the edge".

Didn't someone have this problem recently? I know someone had a trigger bar slipping past the hammer pivot pin. But I thought someone had this issue? I cannot find it.

Hammer no fall and go boom.

I'm going to send this one in to have it examined and see exactly what is out of spec. It may be a simple trigger bar swap or it could be something else throwing the trigger bar out of alignment.

EDIT TO ADD: Funny thing is, it only happened a couple of times before I change the grips. It had the E2 grips and I installed the slim-fit polymer panels. No way I could have bent that trigger bar with the E2 grip tool. My guess is that the E2 grip was pressing in on that trigger bar some, helping it to engage better.

 

[TXSouthpaw]

That stinks.

Good thing you caught it early.

 

[PALongbow]

Did you put the E2 grips back on and see if the problem goes away?

Ron

 

[FLASIG]

Long shot and a guess.

Is is possible that the grip screw on the left panel is pushing the magazine inward towards the right side ?
In your picture I can't see if the grip panel is on or off.

Others more knowledgeable will probably chime in. Good luck.

 

[Willard]

GBIA, there's an individual with a 80% frame that has DA only, no SA function, if that is what you are thinking of... and he had one of the "refinished" P228 kits.
Does your double action function?

http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols/176466-p228-build.html
http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-gunsmithing/177018-p228-build-issues-only-firing-double-action.html

 

[LittleTex]

With the slide removed, can you take a picture of the top of the magazine well?

Edit: With and without the magazine inserted.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

Did you put the E2 grips back on and see if the problem goes away?

Ron

Hell no, I ain't putting those things back on.

Aside from being a real witch to get on/off (on the P220 especially), they screw up my aim.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

Long shot and a guess.

Is is possible that the grip screw on the left panel is pushing the magazine inward towards the right side ?
In your picture I can't see if the grip panel is on or off.

Others more knowledgeable will probably chime in. Good luck.

No, the lock washers that came with the P220 grip panels keep the screws from penetrating into the mag well.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

I found the other recent post!!

A P220 after the owner installed the SRT kit.

http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols/148842-p220-srt-post-upgrade-woes.html

I'll have to examine mine after work (if I feel like it - I'm trying to cough up a lung today) and see if my hammer pivot is off-center. I do not like the idea of "moving it as far to the right as I thought I could get away with" (see the thread at the link above).

 

[FLASIG]

No, the lock washers that came with the P220 grip panels keep the screws from penetrating into the mag well.

If you own another p220 you might want to swap trigger bars to see if it works.
If not, still remove the trigger bar and inspect it to see that it was not bent or damaged by the E2 grip removal tool. Good luck.

 

[PALongbow]

Hell no, I ain't putting those things back on.

Aside from being a real witch to get on/off (on the P220 especially), they screw up my aim.

I took my P220 SAS Carry E2 grips off as well. They are a pain to get off even with the tool...I can relate. I went with the Hogue American checkered grips. Works well for me.

Ron

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

If you own another p220 you might want to swap trigger bars to see if it works.
If not, still remove the trigger bar and inspect it to see that it was not bent or damaged by the E2 grip removal tool. Good luck.

Considering the thickness of the trigger bar, I don't see any way the E2 tool did it. I found a couple of other cases where someone had the same problem with a .45 SIG either with factory SRT or after installing the SRT.

I know I could replace parts and no doubt fix it, but I think on this one, I'm going to send it in just in case something else is out of spec and throwing the trigger bar out of correct alignment.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

I took my P220 SAS Carry E2 grips off as well. They are a pain to get off even with the tool...I can relate. I went with the Hogue American checkered grips. Works well for me.

Ron

No kidding! They came off easy on other P-series SIGs! I needed three hands! I had to hold the muzzle end between my knees. :lol: A male version of the "Thigh Master". :lol: :lol:


I'm so accustomed to shooting SIGs with standard grip contours that I just cannot get good accuracy with the ergo grips. This P220, a P227, a P229. I have to put grips on with a contour like the rest of my SIGs. In this case, I just went inexpensive to begin with and installed the two-piece slim-fit grip panels. I was hitting the bullseye with it after that.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

I received a RMA to return the P220.

(sniff)

 

[winterwar]

No problems here with my P220 SAS. The trigger bar would have to really be out of whack to slip past the tab on the sear. I can't even force it...

It took me about 30 minutes to remove the E2 grip on my SAS, but it got easier after doing 2 more P220's. No way I would put them back on either!

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

No problems here with my P220 SAS. The trigger bar would have to really be out of whack to slip past the tab on the sear. I can't even force it...

It took me about 30 minutes to remove the E2 grip on my SAS, but it got easier after doing 2 more P220's. No way I would put them back on either!

The CS guy thinks that the trigger bar is bent. But it could be an out-of-spec tab on the sear.

It is going back today as I want them to examine it to determine if something else is out-of-spec and causing the trigger bar to be out of alignment with the sear tab.

 

[GoneBallisticInAlabama]

It was shipped on the afternoon of the 16th (a Tuesday) and it arrived home early afternoon on the 25th (a Thursday). They replaced a bent trigger bar and tested it. I sent it in dirty and got it back dirtier. I have to clean it.

I'm thinking I accidentally bent the trigger bar with the E2 grip tool but I'm not sure. They replaced it under warranty and shipped it home. I have my new carry back and hope to test it out again this weekend.

I have a lot of single-stack mags to load. :huh:

 

[FLASIG]

It was shipped on the afternoon of the 16th (a Tuesday) and it arrived home early afternoon on the 25th (a Thursday). They replaced a bent trigger bar and tested it. I sent it in dirty and got it back dirtier. I have to clean it.

I'm thinking I accidentally bent the trigger bar with the E2 grip tool but I'm not sure. They replaced it under warranty and shipped it home. I have my new carry back and hope to test it out again this weekend.

I have a lot of single-stack mags to load. :huh:

That was a simple solution to a big worrisome problem.
Take plenty of ammo to the range and enjoy it.
Let us know how good it handles.

 

[philly01]

I just bought a P220 legion and upon first Range trip had the exact same thing happen.


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