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MCX Virtus .... Brass over bolt malfunktion.

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Just got a new MCX Virtus and I wanted to do some dry drills first using plastic dummy rounds. Looks like a bad mistake... somehow the very first round went MIA somewhere at the upper receiver. The breech is nearly closed so no view inside from the mag well and the charging handle doesnt move anymore, too, so even removing the boldcarrier is not possible. I guess, i need a gun smith. Anyone happend this, too?
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Can you pop the takedown and pivot pins? Sounds like you're not completely in battery so there's probably some extra spring tension on the recoil assembly but you should be able to remove the upper still.
Metal dummy rounds of the correct type have run flawlessly through my MCXs.

The charging handle on the MCX has dual latches that move in unison. What I would do in your place would be first separate the upper from the lower by pushing out the take down pins. Then see what you can see if anything. Next comes the rubber tipped mallet. With one hand make sure that the dual latches on the charging handle are released and the other hand can give a good whack to the other side of the charging handle. Repeat as needed.

I wonder if you disassembled the bolt carrier and got the extractor on the wrong side on reassembly. The extractor goes on the right side looking down the barrel form the shooter's position. Personally, I would not hand over an MCX to a smith or armorer that isn't experienced working on the MCX. It's a bit different from other ARs as it is an AR180 design of sorts and not an AR15.

Bill
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Thx for the replays.

@ Littlejacks I can pop the takedowns and separate the upper reciever. But i cant remove the recoil assembly as i cant move the charging handle enough. It stucks very firm with hardly any possible movement. 1-2 mm that´s it. I need to move it at last a few cm to remove the assembly.

@MrMcGoo I think now, the plastic ones were a bad idea, too! Coming from pistoles I just started with a long gun. I tried the "wacking" before but as there is no movement on the charging handle possible so nothing happend. This idea seems to work at " normal" AR as i saw at youtube, but not at a MCX. And as i never disassembled the gun before this fault cant be.... everything worked fine until i added this §$%$§ plastic dummy rounds! Next friday i will visit my smith who "married" the optics and the gun. I hope he can help. I will post her what will happen. ;-)
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Welcome to Sig Talk - and Congrats on your new MCX!! Am assuming there's a plastic round wedged between the bolt and barrel extension. The simple solution is remove the barrel and the dummy round should fall out - Easy-peasy..

Cheers
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@ kansascity45 Thx for your replay. I checked this, too. But maybe not so "Easy-Peasy"... as far i read at my instruction manual from SIg i have to remove the assembly first before i can remove the barrel. And as i cant remove the assembly at all... at last not with my possibilities and without the right tools... i cant remove the barrel. Back to smith time... ;-)
Understand SIG manual's instructions applies to a normal status with the bolt locked into the barrel extension. You've described a very different condition with a plastic round jammed inside the breech. Seems unlikely your bolt is actually locked in the barrel extension as anticipated by the manual's instruction.

Removing MCX barrel is an easy, loosen 2 retained torx fastener procedure. Your particular jam may have placed the barrel extension in a bind, making the barrel difficult to remove, but it's an easy <5 minute task to try.

It's only a suggestion, something I would do with no risk of damaging the rifle. If you're uncomfortable that's fine, I'll suggest calling SIG customer service before going to a gun smith. Am sure they'll get you fixed. I mention SIG because while MCX looks like an AR15, it's action components are very different. You don't want a smith's initial MCX experiance to be on your rifle.

Sadly, seeing a photo of your broken receiver on Sig Talk wouldn't be the first we've seen here..

Cheers
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I like KC45s suggestion. get the barrel bolts loose to the point the barrel can easily pass the clamps. One person tugs the barrel forward while another person pulls the charging handle to the rear. The flag by your avatar looks like the flag of Germany. I doubt that there is much experience with MCXs near you. Between KC45 and myself we probably have more MCXs than are in civilian hands in all of Germany. However, some police units do have MCXs and should have a trained and experienced armorer.

Bill
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Just a update ... i got my MCX back from the weapon smith some days ago. I just was told not to use this &/%&/$% cheap plastic dummy rounds. I got some metal ones now... ;-) Cleaning the malfunction was not a big deal for him, too. Without removing barrel and something like this. Seems he hit the gun at the righ place with the right force and everything worked out fine. :) I guess it wasnt a "brass over bolt" thing at all. Not much to pay for this "service" at all. :)
I shoot my gun the first time yesterday at 25 and 50m at a indoor range. Nice! No probs. :) Next time i will move to 100m. ;-)
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