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First thanks for reading what will be an in depth review of the MantisX system.

I purchased the MantisX X10 on July 3rd, 2020 after reading several reviews and in depth review of their website. Their torture test video really gave me an idea of the quality of the product being constructed of electronics and gyroscopes and its relation to ability to survive various recoils of the firearms I own and shoot.

In this first post I intended to focus on initial setup of the application and device. I also want to go over what I have encountered during use at this point, which has been dry fire only. I do however plan on taking a range trip in the next few days with it and give review of that perspective of the products features.

Initial setup: First off I ordered the device directly from MantisX but it can be purchased at other online vendors such as Midway. While waiting for the device to arrive I grabbed the app from the Apple Store. It asks instantly to Connect or Skip Connection. At this point I did not have the device but wanted to look at the application. Well I was pleasantly surprised that I could get my account setup and also enter my firearms in to the system. Having long guns and pistols that I wanted to enter was really quick as they made it super easy by listing many manufactures in their database along with their models and calibers. This is all easily done in the app.

As we all know Sig has many firearms with their proprietary rail but guess what, the MantisX mounts to it no problem. What about firearms with no rail? Well with the MantisX X10 it comes with a mount to mount to your barrel or the optional accessory mount to mount to magazine bases, some are available firearm specific or you can get the universal one.

Dry Fire Use: Once attached push a button and a green light flashes. Open your app hit connect and leave the firearm still on a surface for a few seconds while it calibrates and you are good to go. You can switch firearms in you arsenal and recalibrate right in the application quickly if you took the few minutes to enter the firearms. You have no way to tell where impact is unless you supplement with a laser system when dry firing. But typically in a dry fire scenario you are working on draw from holster, trigger pull, and sight picture. This will do this with ease. There are different modes of training that are very valuable in my opinion. You can train one handed, both hands, from the holster, and other modes while using it in a dry fire configuration.

You might be sitting there going this will not really help me I don't move around a lot when pulling the trigger or that your mechanics are flawless. Well, this tool is super sensitive and will tell you more than you thought you knew. I always thought I had a smooth trigger pull or great basic mechanics and this tool proved me wrong. Do I have good or decent mechanics, probably. I have been able to see that no matter what I have room for improvement and I have seen that after doing may dry fires I go from breaking my wrist down (recoil anticipation) to starting to push with my weak hand as I fatigue. I think you would be amazed with how sensitive this tool is. As you use it you start getting good muscle memory as you correct your issues and you see them in real time. When I started using this tool I was scoring mid to upper 80s, mind you a perfect score is 100. I have had a few lower scores in the 60s when I did something I instantly felt was wrong. Now that I have used a few firearms with this system I am scoring low to mid 90s consistently.

It amazes me how I had issues and the most notable was going from my P320 M17 to my 1911 or P227. Just by switching to the larger caliber firearms you could see the scores drop as my muscle memory knew these firearms have more recoil along with weighing more. So to confirm this I went from My M17 to my P320 VTAC and noticed minimal score issues and control issues, but as soon as I picked up my Ruger MKIV the scores climbed a little as there is almost zero recoil.

Now not everything is perfect.... With the sensitivity of the device sometimes I did not lock the slide and when it settled in it would read as a shot... This is not a device issue, it was a me issue. The good news is you can delete that "shot" so that your average is not affected. The key take away is to not ride the slide.

Dry Fire Conclusion: While I have yet to test this device with live fire I can feel and see results of improvement at this time. I believe this tool will be fantastic especially to keep the skills sharp during the winter months where it is harder to get out and shoot due to the weather here in NH. I see it as a valuable tool and while it is not the least expensive item out there it has already began to pay for itself. Coming in at $249.99 it is comparable with the cost of a single day of professional instruction at Sig Sauer Academy. I think that this tool will hone your skills and make taking a course with a professional instructor more beneficial as you will be working on tightening up your mechanics on your own versus having a class slow down to clean up the sloppy mechanics. If you have taken a course you know there is always that one person who slows things down as their skills are not quite up to par with everyone in the class. This is a great value and thus far I believe it is a must have, especially with these trying times.
 

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It's on my list of things to get... just need to figure out exactly which one I'm going to go with.

As for aiming, I recently picked up (but have not yet received) a G-Sight laser to get both aspects of shooting.
 

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I've got an old first generation MantisX. I've used it a little for dry fire, but quite a bit for live fire. After using it for a while you can tell when you're messing up. I suspect a MantisX would have a big wake up effect for many people who think their sights are off. (same as a sand bag)
 

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Nice review, I completely agree.
I use Mantis almost daily for myself and in classes. It is a great lie detector. It shows you things about your shooting that nothing else will. The X-3 is a cheaper option if you are only doing dry fire. For striker fired guns, I prefer using the Smart Firearms Training Device so I don't have to reset the trigger for each shot.
 

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Can the MantisX system be used by two different people?
 

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I have also had the system for about a year, and endorse it as a great training tool, especially for refining trigger control.

It's very light, smaller than a mounted flashlight, and very responsive. The app is useful out of the box, and continues to be refined.

While I might not use it for basic students, I would consider it for more advanced students that want to see details of their trigger control, and work to improve it.
 

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Have an X3 and love it. So, I just ordered the X10. Thanks for the endorsements.

Update: My X10 arrived yesterday and will be looking forward to putting it through its paces in the very near future. However, a bonus also arrived with the package. It would seem they normally include a BR7 barrel adapter with the shipment of each X10. Unfortunately, their supplier of the BR7 is way behind on production. Bummer, right? Nope, not for me. I'm not a big rifle shooter these days, so the BR7 would have been a waste. Then, what's the bonus you ask??? How about a $30 gift card! Now that I can use...and I did. Just place an order for Pink Rhino - Laser Training Cartridge - 9mm and paid a grand total of $10.79. I know, totally and completely awesome!! Okay, maybe I'm blowing this way out of proportion, but you have to admit paying 11 bucks for a laser trainer isn't bad. ;)
 

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This forum makes me spend money, .


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My son has one it is a recent purchase. He likes it and feels he is improving his marksmanship.
He uses snap caps for each pull of trigger. He feels the large number of dry fires may harm his firing pin.
Since ammo is getting hard to find, it seems like a good idea to get some practice dry firing.
He has also used it for live fire.
 

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I got an X3 last winter, and used it extensively with a Sig P220 that I'd put on consignment for the previous 6 months, because I just didn't shoot it that well. After a couple of months of nearly daily use with the Sig, my first range trip of the season was an eye opener, and the Sig that I just hadn't "clicked" with is now one of my all time favorite shooters. Got busy with other stuff in the intervening months and stopped the dry fire practice with the Mantis, my last range session told the tale. Inconsistent grip, poor sight alignment, sloppy trigger control, all were obvious from my targets, and that was at only 3 yards on Dot Torture drills! So I'm back to the Mantis, it's currently on my S&W 625-6, and the performance, at least with dry fire practice, is definitely looking up. I'm shooting the Smith DA only, I figure if I can keep that beast under control, the pistols should be a piece of cake.

I'm finally a believer, guys, dry fire practice makes a difference, especially if live fire sessions are few and far between. The Mantis is a good way to keep it a little more interesting, while also quantifying your performance. It's going to get a lot more use in the future. Later.

Dave
 

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Got the X10 and it works great for dry fire. It correctly showed the flaws I know I have. I was averaging high 80s and with focusing on the fixes for the flaws average up to low 90. sometimes high 90s, highest is 98.

Live fire today and used the recoil analysis. wanted to test the DPM springs and Griffin micro comp on my P365. wasted ammo casually firing then looking at my phone. the recoil anaylsis numbers were everywhere. The fix was to shoot a couple of rounds really focused on the target. Firm grip, shoot and get back on target ASAP, shoot, etc. Muzzle rise and recovery times improved. I wish the recoil analysis included a shot score but it just measures the recoil. And I think this needs a ransom rest to really test, take out the huge variable, me.

The recoil numbers were slightly better with the DPM spring and micro comp but I was more accurate with stock spring and barrel. :confused:

Used the open training, live fire and average dropped to low 80s. it caught a few flyers where I scored low 50s. on the playback I can see the gun dip low during trigger pull because I was anticipating recoil. the playback is a blue line showing gun movement 1-2 seconds before pulling trigger which is a yellow line, then a x when shot fired, then a red line showing recoil path.

It's easy to use and setup. I bought their P365 picatinny rail mount. Included is a stick on picatinny mount which I guess goes on the bottom of a magazine. I'll try this next time on my P229. It comes with a barrel mount for shotguns but they were out of stock so they included a $30 gift card for their store.

Overall very impressed. Feel like it adds a ton of information. Everything is stored on my phone so its nice to review shots later.
 

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This is a great review. When can we expect an update. I am considering purchasing one of these and am looking forward for your next installment.
 

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I recently got a mantisX10 and tried it out for live fire with a Taurus X22 which has the correct rail. The issue with the Sig that that you need either an adaptor for the rail or the magazine adapter for $25.00 each. Since I have 3 Sigs (p365xl, a P226 and a 238), it is a chunk of change.

My wife is just learning to shoot and, of course, missing the target a lot. It was hard conveying the information an corrections. However, with the Mantis, it confirmed the impact of pulling the trigger, etc. instead of squeezing it. Plus, we can maintain a history and see improvement. Even with a 22 caliber, one can make a lot of improvements even if it isn't the same as one of the SIGs. For initial live fire training, it is a lot cheaper with the Taurus (which supports the default rail). The Mantis does record quite a bit of information and the graphs and scores give some pretty good feedback. The pictures with solutions seems to be okay but I just started with it and have to think a bit about what is being stated and how I can work on it. It beats pumping a lot of ammo downrange with little feedback at $0.30 or so per pull of the trigger.

There is an advantage to having the sensor on the magazine. You can draw from your regular holster. If you use the adapter on the rail, it probably won't work with your current holster.

You can buy an adapter that you can "glue" to the bottom of you magazine (or anywhere else). My concern is what happens if you try to take the adapter for the sensor off. Depending on the model, you can buy a replacement bottom for your magazine that can be used for the sensor. Using it, you can draw from your holster.

1. I use the Taurus for basic live fire and go to the SIGs to finish off the drills. I found that I get focused with the Taurus using 22 cal ammo and fine tune with the SIG. It saves on the cost of ammo and the problems these days of just getting 9mm, etc.

2. I am going to buy a magazine adapter for all 3 sigs. I tried some options, like using velcro, etc. but it doesn't work.

WARNING: Before buying the MantisX10, check their website for options for mounting the sensor. If you don't see a good solution, I recommend talking to their customer service to see what you can do. I am not a fan of "gluing" anything to any of my guns (esp. the p365xl or the legion p226).

I would be interested in feedback from others on how they are using it.
 
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