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Retired 2010 after31 years, started with a revolver, retired with pistol, qualify every year for LEOSA with either a revolver or a pistol or both as I wish at certain range dates set asside at my former dept's range. If I decide to shoot a .38, I supply the 50 rds. If I decide to shoot a 9mm, I supply the 50rds. If the Dept has enough left over, I can choose to shoot .357Sig and if they have it in bulk ... then I can use thier ammo. Mine was state, but I know some who get requalified at thier local deptg's range by those instructors. My cert is because of possible carry out of state, not required for in state carry. Each year a dated sticker is attached to my LEO retired ID on back where my pic appears on CCW portion with LEOSA certification, it states only if revoilver / pistol / or if both says simply "revolver / pistol". I used to qualify with both but now I just do pistol. Shot a 98 last. A revolver is a "revolver", a pistol is a "pistol".

Just an note, when I retired per state law, I bought my then duty weapon for $1.04 ($0.04 was tax) ... and I have retired-qualified with it ever since (except for in 2016 when I used my P226 9mm) as my "pistol". P229R in .357Sig. I usually take something else too, but just for play. I do enjoy seeing other retirees there too. Even pre-retirement, after 2004, I took to qualifying with a revolver too. One year pretirement I did the off duty qualifying with a S&W model 27 .357 mag 8-3/8" with a chest type cross draw holster for the revolver stamp to carry out of state. I was wearing a utility outfit. It's a covered range and loud it was.
 

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I retired from the service (Army) in 92', after a career working narcotic dogs. I've held a Calif CCW since I retired, but upon learning of the LEOSA, I figured that that would be a great item to add to the wallet. ...That is, until I read through their requirements. They demand a copy of the graduation certificate from the MP school that I attended 45 years ago.

Digging through 20lbs of old Army documents, I was shocked to locate the official orders awarding the MOS at completion of the course, but not a certificate.

The CA CCW only requires qualifying every two years, so I'll live with it.
 

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I retired from the service (Army) in 92', after a career working narcotic dogs. I've held a Calif CCW since I retired, but upon learning of the LEOSA, I figured that that would be a great item to add to the wallet. ...That is, until I read through their requirements. They demand a copy of the graduation certificate from the MP school that I attended 45 years ago.

Digging through 20lbs of old Army documents, I was shocked to locate the official orders awarding the MOS at completion of the course, but not a certificate.

The CA CCW only requires qualifying every two years, so I'll live with it.
You can get a copy mailed to you from ARPERCEN
 

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I retired from the service (Army) in 92', after a career working narcotic dogs. I've held a Calif CCW since I retired, but upon learning of the LEOSA, I figured that that would be a great item to add to the wallet. ...That is, until I read through their requirements. They demand a copy of the graduation certificate from the MP school that I attended 45 years ago.

Digging through 20lbs of old Army documents, I was shocked to locate the official orders awarding the MOS at completion of the course, but not a certificate.

The CA CCW only requires qualifying every two years, so I'll live with it.
Surprisingly, I have my USAF Police Academy certificate. I also stumbled across my shot record book...it's unbelievable how much stuff the government shot into my arm, lol.
 

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written around a requirement that the qualification be done with the same firearm that the permit holder has to carry under LEOSA.

Under HR218 you are authorized to carry concealed for any type of weapon you qualified with. i.e. Semi-Auto or revolver or both.

Two comments posted. Right, #1 not correct. If so, I would only be allowed to carry an S&W Model 10, in.38 which is no longer available. #2. Correct. Any type weapon of weapon and it must be noted on the card. It you qualified with a Colt 45, it must be listed as Colt 45. You cannot carry and S&W .38. Now if you qualify with both the Colt and S&W and it is so noted, you are good to go. Some states have different rules and you must follow them if you live in and retired from that state. I live in SC and carry under 218. I carry what my state stipulate (actually anything you qualify with is ok). there fore I can carry in any state. As far as ammo goes, my State authorized and allows Hollow Points. NJ does not allow their Officers under 218 Hollow Points, but since my State allows it, I can, under 218 carry in NJ. New York City is a different animal all together. Don't ask. All screwed up.
Don’t try carrying Hollow Points in NJ.
 

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No it doesn't have to be THE weapon. Only the type. For instance, if you only qualified with a semi-auto, you are only authorized to carry a semi-auto. Although I don't believe anyone would gig you for carrying a revolver or vise versa. However, you could run into "that one guy" that would. Conversely if involved in a FUOF incident it could present a problem depending on the geopolitical area of the country.
In New Hampshire, the weapon you qual with is the only weapon you can carry (you can qual on 2 weapons, I asked the instructor about a 357Sig barrel on my 40SW, he stated, no! you want to shoot 3757Sig, you shoot that next time.) I had to drive almost 2 hours away to qual, local departments stated the will not qual retired officers due to liability.
 

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I finally got my LEOSA credentials from the Air Force this spring. If you have the 10 years of Law Enforcement (or Security as it was two separate specialties) you should be eligible. My DD Form 214 had the AFSC and years and months. I had a short break after my first enlistment and only had 9 years and 1 month listed on the 214 for the remainder of my career. I sent copies of both that totaled over 10 years. If you received an honorable discharge and were an NCO you should have had arrest powers when you finished. Approval was received within days of submitting it and I had my credentials in a couple of weeks. Not saying that would be your experience.

I live in Massachusetts so I had to find a LEOSA certified instructor. Luckily my local range had one. Took the class and passed the shooting. I got a certificate that says I met the requirements for the state. There is no weapon type on either my LEOSA credentials or the certificate. Everyone qualified with a pistol but the instructor did say you "should" qualify with both pistol and revolver if that is what you carry but it isn't documented anywhere. He did emphasize that you need to abide by ammo and magazine restrictions of the state you're carrying in as you are only allowed for concealed carry. Massachusetts has a 10 round limit so I meet most states. My regular carry P239 has 7 rounds so I meet the New York standard where I travel often to visit my family. Massachusetts also requires all Law Enforcement officers to have a state License to Carry permit so in addition to LEOSA I have a state permit issued by my local police department. Sorry this is so long but I thought it was important to share. Don't let perceived problems stop you from pushing forward. Get your credentials and then find a certified instructor. There is bound to be someone in the state that will get you qualified.
 

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I finally got my LEOSA credentials from the Air Force this spring. If you have the 10 years of Law Enforcement (or Security as it was two separate specialties) you should be eligible. My DD Form 214 had the AFSC and years and months. I had a short break after my first enlistment and only had 9 years and 1 month listed on the 214 for the remainder of my career. I sent copies of both that totaled over 10 years. If you received an honorable discharge and were an NCO you should have had arrest powers when you finished. Approval was received within days of submitting it and I had my credentials in a couple of weeks. Not saying that would be your experience.

I live in Massachusetts so I had to find a LEOSA certified instructor. Luckily my local range had one. Took the class and passed the shooting. I got a certificate that says I met the requirements for the state. There is no weapon type on either my LEOSA credentials or the certificate. Everyone qualified with a pistol but the instructor did say you "should" qualify with both pistol and revolver if that is what you carry but it isn't documented anywhere. He did emphasize that you need to abide by ammo and magazine restrictions of the state you're carrying in as you are only allowed for concealed carry. Massachusetts has a 10 round limit so I meet most states. My regular carry P239 has 7 rounds so I meet the New York standard where I travel often to visit my family. Massachusetts also requires all Law Enforcement officers to have a state License to Carry permit so in addition to LEOSA I have a state permit issued by my local police department. Sorry this is so long but I thought it was important to share. Don't let perceived problems stop you from pushing forward. Get your credentials and then find a certified instructor. There is bound to be someone in the state that will get you qualified.
Fuzzy, NY is 10 rounds. No longer the 7 round restriction.
 

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If you received an honorable discharge and were an NCO you should have had arrest powers when you finished.
I had arrest powers as soon as I hit my first duty station. I'm guessing you were Law Enforcement (SP)? If so, you should have too. I guess if you were Security Specialist it's possible you didn't, I'm not familiar with what they could and couldn't do.
 

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I retired from the service (Army) in 92', after a career working narcotic dogs. I've held a Calif CCW since I retired, but upon learning of the LEOSA, I figured that that would be a great item to add to the wallet. ...That is, until I read through their requirements. They demand a copy of the graduation certificate from the MP school that I attended 45 years ago.

Digging through 20lbs of old Army documents, I was shocked to locate the official orders awarding the MOS at completion of the course, but not a certificate.

The CA CCW only requires qualifying every two years, so I'll live with it.
MP qualification school and dates are on your DD-214. That’s all is necessary in the application process.
 

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It’s the course of fire for the state you qualify in after retirement. Ive qualified in both NY and PA, which is pretty similar. Now, as far as retired military, I would think it to be the same as for that states LE.
 

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Very slack in KY, same as standards for a Concealed Cary Deadly Weapons. 7 yards, 20 rounds, 11 hits on a man-sized target, with any gun you choose. My wife and I go to re-quals next Friday. Unfortunately, our annual date is in February, the coldest month of the year. On the up side, we get an indoor range this time.
 
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