I just noticed this the other day that some barrels are marked 9x19 and others are marked 9mm Para. I know they are different names for the same cartridge but it just seems odd to me that Sig is not consistent with the markings. Is it a mixture of German and US made parts I wonder?
How come some legions say 9x19 and some say 9mm Para?
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So Sig doesn't make their own barrels? That's whacked.
Who does if they don't?
Not sure I can think of any other maker who doesn't make their own tubes?
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SIG Germany used to make their own barrels. Lots of things are different now that SIG USA is the only manufacturer of SIG guns for US consumption.
I think SIG Germany also makes the Legacy slide (short extractor) exclusively for their guns.
I would not think it unusual for some parts to be subbed out to others. They do for magazines, grips, parts that may need more specific equipment, etc.
Maybe it is different for rifles, but I know Windham Weaponry, who really is the original Bushmaster has all of their rifle barrels made by an outside supplier. The name escapes me right now but the supplier is well known for high quality manufacturing. Windham outsources the barrel manufacturing, then receives and does the finish work on the barrels themselves. It is more cost effective.
I am not saying SIG does have others make the barrels, but I do not see a problem with it if someone else can handle the manufacturing of something like that and do it more cost effective then SIG can and has any specialized equipment investment.
Colt outsourced all of the parts of their AR-15's including those fulfilling the government contract. All Colt did was assemble the parts. I was told that by folks from Academi during an armorers course, (formerly known as Blackwater) who did a lot of testing for Colt. Don't most auto makers do the same with most of their parts?
Maybe it is different for rifles, but I know Windham Weaponry, who really is the original Bushmaster has all of their rifle barrels made by an outside supplier. The name escapes me right now but the supplier is well known for high quality manufacturing. Windham outsources the barrel manufacturing, then receives and does the finish work on the barrels themselves. It is more cost effective.
I am not saying SIG does have others make the barrels, but I do not see a problem with it if someone else can handle the manufacturing of something like that and do it more cost effective then SIG can and has any specialized equipment investment.
Colt outsourced all of the parts of their AR-15's including those fulfilling the government contract. All Colt did was assemble the parts. I was told that by folks from Academi during an armorers course, (formerly known as Blackwater) who did a lot of testing for Colt. Don't most auto makers do the same with most of their parts?
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And this is probably partly why Colt is failing. QC would seem to suffer if you have others make parts that you should be doing yourself.
Even my $250 Henry lever action .22 is made 100% by them in house.
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Well, Windham is a lower quality maker, as is bushmaster. BCM, Colt, Daniel Defense, FN, ect make their own barrels. The Colt expanse line is reportedly outsourced, like the current SAA pistols. Colt goes bankrupt every few years, it's their modus operandi.
Most AR "manufactures" are smaller companies that assemble parts sourced from other manufacturers. This isn't necessarily bad, so long as the company is performing adequate quality assurance on their parts, and assembling them properly.
Most AR "manufactures" are smaller companies that assemble parts sourced from other manufacturers. This isn't necessarily bad, so long as the company is performing adequate quality assurance on their parts, and assembling them properly.
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It's common place. My understanding is the majority of all pistol barrels are made by only a few companies.
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There is no reason that a manufacturer can't build a high quality firearm while outsourcing components. In a way, they may be able to assemble a better gun- the manufacturer can give greater attention to fewer parts, and their suppliers are doing the same thing. When the manufacturer has too many fires burning at one time, something will get missed or compromised. Divide and conquer.
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Kart makes the barrels for all of Les’ Baer Custom 1911’s.
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And I'll give you $100 bucks if you can get that in writing with Les' signature on it.Kart makes the barrels for all of Les’ Baer Custom 1911’s.
Something many know that he will never admit to.
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No secret at all.And I'll give you $100 bucks if you can get that in writing with Les' signature on it.
Something many know that he will never admit to.
A.H. did an interview with Les within the last year or two.
It was noted within that article that Kart has always made barrels “to his spec’s” for Baer Custom 1911’s.
Related question. Why is their an import ban on sigs?
Some BS about some guns that SIG in the US sold to Columbia.
Germany has strict rules about "selling to conflict zones" and I guess Columbia is on that list.
Some BS about some guns that SIG in the US sold to Columbia.
Germany has strict rules about "selling to conflict zones" and I guess Columbia is on that list.
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