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Was wondering what brightness setting those who EDC an RX keep it set on. Right now I have mine set so it is just visible in outdoor sunlight which makes it pretty bright and splotchy indoors although my Romeo is a little splotchy on all settings.
 

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One of the reasons I don't use these type optics, on my pistols or rifles, is b/c of issues like this. I don't have time to waste constantly adjusting my optics for environmental uses. They're simply not needed. Truth is if you can't hit a target with iron sights you really don't need to be shooting...just kidding, of course, but seriously...how much do these sights actually help? I've never seen anyone posting questions like this about iron sights. I'm genuinely curious.
 
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Competitive shooters are using them to shooter faster.

Id set the brightness for indoor condition and use the iron sights out door.
 

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"Hold on just a second, bad guys - I need to adjust the brightness on my red dot to properly dome you"

The RX comes with cowitnessing fiber optic sights that you can use rather than futzing with the optic in a real defensive situation.

As for brightness - it doesn't really matter in the 99% of situations in which a citizen would engage an EDC weapon, which is 15 feet or less. If there's a situation 75 feet away and you're concerned that your dot is too bright for proper MOA, you're probably better off retreating from the situation as it most likely does not concern you and there would be significant legal issues you will face to justify firing at a target from that distance.

As for a technical answer, just keep it at the lowest brightness setting for the sake of your batteries because leaving the Romeo on all the time usually drains the battery in about a week.
 

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Competitive shooters are using them to shooter faster.

Id set the brightness for indoor condition and use the iron sights out door.
That I can see, but for EDC I don't see them as practical. To each their own, certainly, but unless someone can show me a significant advantage to using them, I don't see me bearing the extra expense and time.
 

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As for brightness - it doesn't really matter in the 99% of situations in which a citizen would engage an EDC weapon, which is 15 feet or less.
That isn't exactly true. The statistics indicate that the average gun fight occurs within a distance of no more than 21', but less than 10% of these gun fights take place no the street. Most of these confrontations are reported to happen either at a residence or place of business, and there is no clear indicator that 99% of these altercations take place at a distance of 15' or less. The distances tend to vary greatly when you consider the full spectrum.

If there's a situation 75 feet away and you're concerned that your dot is too bright for proper MOA, you're probably better off retreating from the situation as it most likely does not concern you and there would be significant legal issues you will face to justify firing at a target from that distance.
Indeed! Regardless of the sights, at distances greater than say 50' you're venturing into having to explain yourself, which isn't a good place to be after a shooting. :cool:
 

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The advantage of the red dots is they are faster and easier to see. I wear glasses which I don't always have with me and while iron sights work for me most of the time with certain back rounds and lighting they disappear. I don't remember seeing an AR at the shooting ranges I go to that doesn't have a red dot and people like Farnam etc. recommend them on rifles, same reason to have one on a handgun. It's whatever works best for you. I have a laser on an LCP and a J frame, neither has usable sights so I **** the laser. I put a laser on a 938 and find I am slower and not as accurate with the laser and may take it off although it is good for dry firing, but the 938 comes with excellent sights. As for the reliability, the iron sights that come with the 320 are sig night sights and being taller are actually easier for me to pick up.
 

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The advantage of the red dots is they are faster and easier to see.
Maybe so, for you, but not for me. I find them to be more cumbersome than helpful, and issues like the OP asks about happen all the time. Certainly I can see there would be some advantage for taking longer shots, but as it relates to CQB/PD...it's just not for me. I'm all for what works for ya...I just don't see the need.


I wear glasses which I don't always have with me and while iron sights work for me most of the time with certain back rounds and lighting they disappear.
I can see that. I wear glasses too, but I do always have them on me. That said, though, wrt sights fading in the background, I can understand why some would want the dot, but I would be more likely to install the new Meprolite MAKO sights.

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I don't remember seeing an AR at the shooting ranges I go to that doesn't have a red dot and people like Farnam etc. recommend them on rifles, same reason to have one on a handgun. It's whatever works best for you.
I see them on every AR...but I'm more inclined to go with something with a little more magnification than a simple red dot. Depends on the intended application for me, but for a standard defense AR I run mine with iron sights. I am looking at putting a Vortex Spitfire 3x on top and moving my IS to the side, though.

I have a laser on an LCP and a J frame, neither has usable sights so I **** the laser. I put a laser on a 938 and find I am slower and not as accurate with the laser and may take it off although it is good for dry firing, but the 938 comes with excellent sights.
I'm not big on lasers either, but again, it comes down to application. I'd be more inclined to use a laser on a rifle than a pistol, though.

As for the reliability, the iron sights that come with the 320 are sig night sights and being taller are actually easier for me to pick up.
I do like their sights. For me the whole MOS concept is cool, but just seems to be more of a snag hazard than an actual aid for most defense situations. That said, to each his own. :cool:
 

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I'm just picking up my first carry-able MOS pistol. I doubt I will use it as an EDC but I like to have the option. The full size just isn't an option for me to carry.

I do however think it's excellent for a HD pistol application. That and compentitive shooting are the real reasons I want one.
 

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One of the reasons I don't use these type optics, on my pistols or rifles, is b/c of issues like this. I don't have time to waste constantly adjusting my optics for environmental uses. They're simply not needed. Truth is if you can't hit a target with iron sights you really don't need to be shooting...just kidding, of course, but seriously...how much do these sights actually help? I've never seen anyone posting questions like this about iron sights. I'm genuinely curious.
I don't think you've really thought this statement through. Since iron sights are not adjustable for light level....why would you expect anyone to ask such a question about them?

Also, many questions regarding new things disappear once they've been around for a hundred years or so.

You're own statement of "constantly adjusting optics for environmentl issues only makes sens if your "environmental issue are constantly changing...and even then you would set for the brightest needed and go to town...you wouldn't "constantly"change them.

to answer your question although I sense it is rhetorical (but you say you are genuinely curious)...depending on your vision "these sights actually help" a great deal!

The earht really is round even though it was a new idea once upon a time.
 

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Was wondering what brightness setting those who EDC an RX keep it set on. Right now I have mine set so it is just visible in outdoor sunlight which makes it pretty bright and splotchy indoors although my Romeo is a little splotchy on all settings.
Leaving it bright enough for outdoor would be the most prudent, you can back it off if the situation permits. For target work having it on the low end helps me to work more finely. Brighter will bloom a little but for defense put the dot on the target and you're good to go.
 

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I don't think you've really thought this statement through. Since iron sights are not adjustable for light level....why would you expect anyone to ask such a question about them?
I didn't expect anyone to answer such a question about iron sights. Why would you think I did?

Also, many questions regarding new things disappear once they've been around for a hundred years or so.
Um...ok? :huh:

You're own statement of "constantly adjusting optics for environmentl issues only makes sens if your "environmental issue are constantly changing...and even then you would set for the brightest needed and go to town...you wouldn't "constantly"change them.
My statement of constantly adjusting optics relates to the question the OP posted...he asked how to adjust the sights b/c he has them set for one environment, which isn't best for another. If I'm in a high pressure situation where I'm potentially going to be going from light to dark and back to light (like some police and service-memebers find themselves doing...or like the OP asked about) I'm not really going to want to have to be fiddling with my sights all the time. Sure, one can set their optics for a general use setting, which is what I think the OP was asking for input on, but as it relates to my personal wants, I'm not in need of a device that requires those type changes, and I don't want to have to fool with it. Does that make sense?

to answer your question although I sense it is rhetorical (but you say you are genuinely curious)...depending on your vision "these sights actually help" a great deal!
If you had taken the time to read the entire thread you'd see that I've seen where the sights can aid in some circumstances.

The earht really is round even though it was a new idea once upon a time.
Thanks for that ground breaking revelation, bro! :cool:
 

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Was wondering what brightness setting those who EDC an RX keep it set on. Right now I have mine set so it is just visible in outdoor sunlight which makes it pretty bright and splotchy indoors although my Romeo is a little splotchy on all settings.
One of the reasons I don't use these type optics, on my pistols or rifles, is b/c of issues like this. I don't have time to waste constantly adjusting my optics for environmental uses. They're simply not needed. Truth is if you can't hit a target with iron sights you really don't need to be shooting...just kidding, of course, but seriously...how much do these sights actually help? I've never seen anyone posting questions like this about iron sights. I'm genuinely curious.
I didn't expect anyone to ask such a question about iron sights. Why would you think I did?
The OP only asked 1 question and it was about where is best to adjust the brightness for EDC on his Romeo1 and keep it set...in red you reference the question applying it to Iron sights...so the reason why I think you did....is because you did? Like I said I don't think you thought it through, because I couldn't believe you asked it anymore than you can.



My statement of constantly adjusting optics relates to the question the OP posted...he asked how to adjust the sights b/c he has them set for one environment, which isn't best for another. If I'm in a high pressure situation where I'm potentially going to be going from light to dark and back to light (like some police and service-memebers find themselves doing...or like the OP asked about) I'm not really going to want to have to be fiddling with my sights all the time. Sure, one can set their optics for a general use setting, which is what I think the OP was asking for input on, but as it relates to my personal wants, I'm not in need of a device that requires those type changes, and I don't want to have to fool with it. Does that make sense?



If you had taken the time to read the entire thread you'd see that I've seen where the sights can aid in some circumstances.
You see in blue where you went wrong...the OP asked about where to"keep it set" nothing about adjusting it at all let alone constantly adjusting it...you for some reason decided to interject the false information that refelx sights require constant adjustment...when in fact if you had any experience you'd know, you really "need" to adjust them very little but you can adjust them as often as you'd like.
 

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Q. Why do we need red dots when we have iron sights?
A. Because some of us have aging eyes and seeing the dot on the target is way easier / faster that irons.

Q. What brightness setting should I use?
A. Whatever works best for you. I leave mine on all the time somewhere in the midrange which works for me in all but brightest direct sunlight

Q. How long does the battery last?
A. I've been EDC a compact RX for about 7 weeks now it still has the original battery.
 

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The OP only asked 1 question and it was about where is best to adjust the brightness for EDC on his Romeo1 and keep it set...in red you reference the question applying it to Iron sights...so the reason why I think you did....is because you did? Like I said I don't think you thought it through, because I couldn't believe you asked it anymore than you can.
Yeah, first, I really don't see where it's that big a deal with you, but I'll continue to play along for now...just b/c I said I'd never seen anyone post questions like this about iron sights doesn't mean I expected anyone to answer questions like this about irons sights. I think perhaps you read something else into it, but it wasn't a question...it was a statement. I thought it through and knew what I wanted to say. You're the one who seems to have misunderstood it. As I said...it wasn't a question. It was a statement of fact as it relates to what I've seen, or haven't seen, rather. As to why I would chime in at all...have you ever heard of the concept of playing the devil's advocate in order to get others to make an argument for something so that you can gather pertinent information you hadn't considered before? Just food for thought.

see in blue where you went wrong...the OP asked about where to"keep it set" nothing about adjusting it at all let alone constantly adjusting it...you for some reason decided to interject the false information that refelx sights require constant adjustment...when in fact if you had any experience you'd know, you really "need" to adjust them very little but you can adjust them as often as you'd like.
OK, so as I stated, I think he was asking where to keep a general setting, but again, my point was that it's not a necessary device as I see it, and I don't want to have to fiddle with making the adjustments, especially when it isn't necessary, whether they "need" to be made much or not. ANY adjustment is unnecessary at all. Now, if someone wants to run it, fine, I have no problem with it, and I'll admit I am intrigued by the whole concept, but I'm not sold on its advantage being worth the added expense and time for me on a carry gun. But again...why are you taking such issue over my opinion about a piece of gear? It's not like you can prove what I think about it wrong or anything, so what gives? It's what I think as it relates to what I want on a carry gun. Whether you agree with what I think or not, are you going to lose sleep over it? :lol:
 

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Q. Why do we need red dots when we have iron sights?
A. Because some of us have aging eyes and seeing the dot on the target is way easier / faster that irons.
At 45 my eyes aren't what they were even five years ago, but from my experience, if your can't see a standard sight or night sight, you're really not going to be able to see a little red dot much better. Granted, there are some circumstances under which a glowing red dot will make it easier for anyone to acquire a target, I don't deny that, but let's be honest, and I'm genuinely looking for a good argument to show me the advantage to the sights to warrant spending the extra money and taking on the added risk of something going wrong, not to mention adding size to my gun, how much better will the dot make you under the fight or flight stress of defense at close range?

Q. What brightness setting should I use?
A. Whatever works best for you. I leave mine on all the time somewhere in the midrange which works for me in all but brightest direct sunlight
OK so here we see an actual disadvantage to the optic. It looks like the P320 offers a taller iron sight option so that one can switch to that, but again...at close ranges how much time to we really have to aim, and is it really worth spending the extra money for something that can fail or not work as designed?

Q. How long does the battery last?
A. I've been EDC a compact RX for about 7 weeks now it still has the original battery.
Let's all agree these things are really cool...I agree with that! But, how bad would it suck to pull your gun and the red dot not work? Yeah, I know...we run the same risk with the red dots on our ARs, which is one reason I still don't run one on mine, but when you have something that works well for you, why spend the extra money to add something to your gun that may not work when you need it to? Of course, being aware of how long you have had a batter in is an easy thing to overcome, sure! I deal with that now with my light, but a light not working is a little less critical than my sights not working. IDK...I'm not saying no one should use these things...I admit I'm intrigued...but from where I stand today I'm not seeing it. YMMV
 

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Once again I will reiterate the RX comes with raised fiber optic iron sights that you can use to aim regardless of if the red dot is on or off. So you can both have your cake and eat it too and stop arguing about stuff that's tangential to the thread's topic at best.


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Yeah, first, I really don't see where it's that big a deal with you, but I'll continue to play along for now...just b/c I said I'd never seen anyone post questions like this about iron sights doesn't mean I expected anyone to answer questions like this about irons sights. I think perhaps you read something else into it, but it wasn't a question...it was a statement. I thought it through and knew what I wanted to say. You're the one who seems to have misunderstood it. As I said...it wasn't a question. It was a statement of fact as it relates to what I've seen, or haven't seen, rather. As to why I would chime in at all...have you ever heard of the concept of playing the devil's advocate in order to get others to make an argument for something so that you can gather pertinent information you hadn't considered before? Just food for thought.

Dude, it was the equivalent of someone chiming in on a thread about sight pushers and commenting that you never see people asking about sight pushers with reflex sights. It's a bone head statement. If you don't want to own it, fine I don't really care.

OK, so as I stated, I think he was asking where to keep a general setting, but again, my point was that it's not a necessary device as I see it, and I don't want to have to fiddle with making the adjustments, especially when it isn't necessary, whether they "need" to be made much or not. ANY adjustment is unnecessary at all. Now, if someone wants to run it, fine, I have no problem with it, and I'll admit, I am intrigued by the whole concept but I'm not sold on its advantage being worth th e added expense and time for me on a carry gun. But again...why are you taking such issue over my opinion about a piece of gear? It's not like you can prove what I think about it wrong or anything, so what gives? It's what I think as it relates to what I want on a carry gun. Whether you agree with what I think or not, are you going to lose sleep over it? :lol:
Ahh so nobody asked anything about it being a nreccessary device but you felt compelled anyway...thanks for the wonderful contribution to the the thread. Guy asks a reasonable question about his romeo and you decide to **** all over his romeo instead of being helpful or just passing by.

The problem is you have no idea what you are talking about and you offer your opinion as if anyone should listen. Pick things youi know about and then offer.

You have said in this thread that reflex sights won't help with poor vision...that is so far from the truth you have no idea. You can see the dot and the target in focus while wearing glasses. Many of us can't see the sights clearly with glasses on and can't see the target clearly without glasses, the dot and the target are both clear with glasses on. The fact that you don't know this is painfully obvious and your wrong information is not helpful to others. No I won't lose sleep over it, but any responsible member of this forum should want correct information posted and weed out the wronf info.

If you really are "intrigued by the whole concept" read and learn and stop trashing what you don't know.
 

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Dude, it was the equivalent of someone chiming in on a thread about sight pushers and commenting that you never see people asking about sight pushers with reflex sights. It's a bone head statement. If you don't want to own it, fine I don't really care.



Ahh so nobody asked anything about it being a nreccessary device but you felt compelled anyway...thanks for the wonderful contribution to the the thread. Guy asks a reasonable question about his romeo and you decide to **** all over his romeo instead of being helpful or just passing by.

The problem is you have no idea what you are talking about and you offer your opinion as if anyone should listen. Pick things youi know about and then offer.

You have said in this thread that reflex sights won't help with poor vision...that is so far from the truth you have no idea. You can see the dot and the target in focus while wearing glasses. Many of us can't see the sights clearly with glasses on and can't see the target clearly without glasses, the dot and the target are both clear with glasses on. The fact that you don't know this is painfully obvious and your wrong information is not helpful to others. No I won't lose sleep over it, but any responsible member of this forum should want correct information posted and weed out the wronf info.

If you really are "intrigued by the whole concept" read and learn and stop trashing what you don't know.
First, I haven't trashed anything, and secondly, yeah, thanks for the sage advice, bro! Speaking of just passing by...gee! :cool:
 

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I get the feeling not many have actually handled a pistol with a reflex sight...

The dot is only visible once the sights are aligned. In effect, it's the brightest front sight you can have, only when the sights are aligned.

Other than being cumbersome, it's pretty effective.
 
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