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Gun Theft Warning - Vehicle thefts

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Saw a spot on local news this morning discussing illegal and stolen guns. Apparently the vast
majority of the daily shootings in my town are using illegal (whatever that means) or stolen guns.

They went on to say most guns are stolen from businesses or vehicles. As for the vehicles
thieves target, vehicles with some type of gun related sticker or political emblems were
the #1 target. NRA, Trump, Sig, or anything gun or politics related.

Sure enough the reporter randomly stopped a few trucks in the parking lot. One had a "thin
blue line" sticker, the other NRA. Both guys said yes they had a gun on board, and neither had
safe in their truck.

I think it's a BIG stretch to make a correlation between logos or stickers and gun thefts,
but it does make sense to an extent.

They also talked about using safes in your vehicle, but that's a tough option to sell. Most safes
are easily removed and the one's that aren't almost have to be custom installed. Not to mention
thieves is the big city come prepared. Sledge hammers and pry bars are their "tools".
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Saw a spot on local news this morning discussing illegal and stolen guns. Apparently the vast
majority of the daily shootings in my town are using illegal (whatever that means) or stolen guns.

They went on to say most guns are stolen from businesses or vehicles. As for the vehicles
thieves target, vehicles with some type of gun related sticker or political emblems were
the #1 target. NRA, Trump, Sig, or anything gun or politics related.

Sure enough the reporter randomly stopped a few trucks in the parking lot. One had a "thin
blue line" sticker, the other NRA. Both guys said yes they had a gun on board, and neither had
safe in their truck.

I think it's a BIG stretch to make a correlation between logos or stickers and gun thefts,
but it does make sense to an extent.

They also talked about using safes in your vehicle, but that's a tough option to sell. Most safes
are easily removed and the one's that aren't almost have to be custom installed. Not to mention
thieves is the big city come prepared. Sledge hammers and pry bars are their "tools".
I have a 2019 Ford F-350. “Had” a safe. Truck was broken into caught of surveillance video at my house. Truck was locked and alarmed. Jerks had some kind of electronic over ride. Opened the door ripped my center console to pieces took the safe and my gun.
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I prefer the type of deterrent used on the Lotus in the Bond movie For Your Eyes Only. Window sticker read “burglar protected”.
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I have a 2019 Ford F-350. “Had” a safe. Truck was broken into caught of surveillance video at my house. Truck was locked and alarmed. Jerks had some kind of electronic over ride. Opened the door ripped my center console to pieces took the safe and my gun.
You may be onto something. I mentioned earlier my F150 being broken into. I never figured
out how or why my alarm didn't go off. If the alarm is set, even if I use my key to unlock
the door the alarm goes off. You have to turn on the ignition to silence it.

???
Best protection is trunk monkey. Trunk monkey
Thanks. That one made me LOL.
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Hope you have a lockbox too.
I love how everyone says have a safe in your car.. If someone breaks into my house, vehicle or whatever they are in the wrong.. Thank Goodness Alabama is a State that dont have to worry about all this ****..
I guess c rap is a dirty word now, cause that is what I said
Thanks. That one made me LOL.
It's old but I crack up every time I see it.
I guess c rap is a dirty word now, cause that is what I said
WOW! Yet listen to what is said every night on prime time TV.
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WOW! Yet listen to what is said every night on prime time TV.
You're right. I've noticed now you can say anything now on network TV but
the F bomb. Give it a year :rolleyes:
I guess c rap is a dirty word now, cause that is what I said
Thanks for the update......trash mouth;)
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I love how everyone says have a safe in your car.. If someone breaks into my house, vehicle or whatever they are in the wrong.. Thank Goodness Alabama is a State that dont have to worry about all this ****..
Point being, if you have your gun in a console holster (like the person I was responding to) for quick access while you're in it, but you can't bring it with you into, say, a post office or school where you're entering, then best to have something out of sight and at least more secure than the holster or even a locked glove compartment if you're going to leave it there even for a few minutes.

I love how people ignore the context. Is that an Alabama thing?
I live in Atlanta in a good neighborhood. Auto break-ins are a constant problem. The penalty for getting caught is insignificant - and nothing for juveniles. There is no deterrence. But the big problem is people breaking in because they see something in the car, and once in they do a quick search of the obvious places to store valuables.

They usually use a flashlight to view the contents of the vehicle. Anything that looks like a purse, computer bag, backpack, or other valuables is enough to justify the breakin. Once in they always go through the glove compartment, console, and often look under the seat. Petty cash tucked away is enough to justify the effort, but they frequently end up with credit cards, cash, change, spare car keys, tool boxes and guns. A typical thief goes through 10-12 vehicles an hour. They usually work in pairs with someone with a flashlight walking and an accomplice driving a car nearby for a quick getaway. The cars are usually stolen or have stolen plates. Ring and similar doorbell cameras are useless without clear evidence delivering the crook. 10 cars per hour with just $2 in change each justifies the effort with an option for a bonus worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. People often keep a $20, $50, or $100 bill in their glove box for emergencies - enough to justify the effort for any crook.

The only way to stop it is a clean car that ruins the economics. If a neighborhood is filled with cars that never "payoff", the thieves will decrease their visits. While occasionally they may break into the trunk, it's usually only with cause. A gun hidden in the trunk and a clean car is almost never a target. A small pillow, a trash bag, visible change, or any valuables is almost a certain invitation to a break-in. Parking off road, behind a gate, or using a car cover will slow them down and make the car less of a target.
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The kind of punks that break into your car probably can't read at a second grade level, anyway. In all honesty, probably doesn't matter what you put on your back window.
Criminals get 80% guns. I have not hear of criminals casing houses and cars for guns. They can buy 80% built guns easy.
Congratulations! For making a strong case supporting Biden's proposed executive action against so call ghost guns. Criminals were managing to get guns long before the advent of ghost guns (made from those 80% built guns).
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Criminals get 80% guns. I have not hear of criminals casing houses and cars for guns. They can buy 80% built guns easy.
If they were smart enough to make 80% guns they would be smart enough to circumvent the “laws” about who can or can’t own a gun - and buy it whole a LOT cheaper. The 80% “ghost guns” is a myth. Notice how suddenly all the cop shows are talking about “ghost guns” - as if that’s a problem.

“Tracking” guns is mostly useless activity. You either HAVE the gun that committed the crime or you don’t. Just because someone owned it previously doesn’t mean they committed the crime - you have to physically connect the two. AND there are numerous ways to make YOUR gun no longer fit the physical evidence. A good lawyer can easily sow “reasonable doubts” in the jury’s minds.

You’re either falling for the BS line or you haven’t thought it through.
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I have a 2019 Ford F-350. “Had” a safe. Truck was broken into caught of surveillance video at my house. Truck was locked and alarmed. Jerks had some kind of electronic over ride. Opened the door ripped my center console to pieces took the safe and my gun.
The kind of punks that break into your car probably can't read at a second grade level, anyway. In all honesty, probably doesn't matter what you put on your back window.
But they can 'read' this is one expensive vehicle and there's gotta be some good stuff in it...

Sometimes it pays to drive and older, less attractive vehicle.
As for criminals getting 80% frames and building into guns to use for violent crimes.....let's just think about what it would take any one of us to do this.

You'd have to order the frame or kit...probably online with a credit card...order all the other parts (assuming you've done enough research to know which parts to get). I guess you could buy in a gun store, but then I can't imagine gun stores in the NYC, Chicago or LA area just carrying these for anyone to come in and buy. Have that all delivered to an address, probably the same as your card's billing address in some cases. Then you need at least basic tools to finish the frame, and follow some pretty specific instructions to do so guided by a video online to build. Then make sure you've got it right so it's reliable, like with some range time.

So...if someone can do all that, like any one of us.....they probably aren't a violent criminal.

Meanwhile, if you want to get a stolen/black-market gun, all you need is cash or collateral that you've stolen, on the spot.

What's easier.......not for us, but for a violent criminal?
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What is a good vehicle gun safe? Any that do not require drilling through the floor pan?
https://www.lockerdown.com/
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I live in Atlanta in a good neighborhood. Auto break-ins are a constant problem. The penalty for getting caught is insignificant - and nothing for juveniles. There is no deterrence. But the big problem is people breaking in because they see something in the car, and once in they do a quick search of the obvious places to store valuables.

They usually use a flashlight to view the contents of the vehicle. Anything that looks like a purse, computer bag, backpack, or other valuables is enough to justify the breakin. Once in they always go through the glove compartment, console, and often look under the seat. Petty cash tucked away is enough to justify the effort, but they frequently end up with credit cards, cash, change, spare car keys, tool boxes and guns. A typical thief goes through 10-12 vehicles an hour. They usually work in pairs with someone with a flashlight walking and an accomplice driving a car nearby for a quick getaway. The cars are usually stolen or have stolen plates. Ring and similar doorbell cameras are useless without clear evidence delivering the crook. 10 cars per hour with just $2 in change each justifies the effort with an option for a bonus worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. People often keep a $20, $50, or $100 bill in their glove box for emergencies - enough to justify the effort for any crook.

The only way to stop it is a clean car that ruins the economics. If a neighborhood is filled with cars that never "payoff", the thieves will decrease their visits. While occasionally they may break into the trunk, it's usually only with cause. A gun hidden in the trunk and a clean car is almost never a target. A small pillow, a trash bag, visible change, or any valuables is almost a certain invitation to a break-in. Parking off road, behind a gate, or using a car cover will slow them down and make the car less of a target.
I live near Atlanta but I garage my car and we have (knock on wood) almost no crime in our neighborhood. But sometimes, luckily not frequently, I have to leave a pistol in my car in metro Atlanta. I have to date subscribed to the “empty car” appearance to dissuade break-ins. When I’ve looked at safe options, they always struck me as making my pistol more obvious - as my vehicle doesn’t have space under the seat and the center console isn’t the type that can be converted. But maybe it’s time to look further.
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I live near Atlanta but I garage my car and we have (knock on wood) almost no crime in our neighborhood. But sometimes, luckily not frequently, I have to leave a pistol in my car in metro Atlanta. I have to date subscribed to the “empty car” appearance to dissuade break-ins. When I’ve looked at safe options, they always struck me as making my pistol more obvious - as my vehicle doesn’t have space under the seat and the center console isn’t the type that can be converted. But maybe it’s time to look further.
?Have you considered a magnet under the dash. I had a friend who kept his CZ Rami there in his truck. You really couldn’t see it but it was convenient to grab if you needed it. I’m not sure that would work for a relatively large gun (like a 229 or USPc), but for the smaller pocket guns it appears a reasonable alternative.
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