Um, legal implications, getting killed yourself by the bad shooter or police, possibly shooting the wrong person…
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Church shooting...why ?
If the objective to arm the people to protect themselves and property , why aren't there more people out there carrying and helping the boy's in blue out ? See a active shooter be cool and react and take him out. period . "A man shot and killed two women in the parking lot of a church in Iowa state on Thursday and then turned the gun on himself, police said, adding three more dead to the toll in a series of recent shootings that have rocked the United States. "
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That was a targeted shooting -and the guy then killed himself. They had some issues between them.
That still doesn't make it okay- it just says there was a reason for this.
That still doesn't make it okay- it just says there was a reason for this.
Lots of possibilities. Like higgybaby just said, you won’t stop a targeted shooting. He planned on murdering those women and then taking his life. Someone walks into t he sanctuary of a church during a service and starts shooting, you have the potential to shorten the event and are already in harms way. Always risky with innocents around and each situation needs to be evaluated for risks in a split second as an armed citizen on whether or not to get involved. We are not required to run towards the danger the way LE is and usually it is advisable not to unless you have no other choice.
Military training and life kicks in....oh wait no gun training at all....but got a gun. [Removed]. Crack myself up. Guns for everyone.
Protect and serve, serve your country. Defend yourself and yours. Get training please and help make this country safe. PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER....it works.
If you take guns out of the equation, you will still have violence. Probably on a larger scale using bombs, incendiary devices, poison, knives, swords, axes, baseball bats, etc.
Removing guns doesn't solve any problems. But more trained people with guns can help stop the problem when it arises.
Removing guns doesn't solve any problems. But more trained people with guns can help stop the problem when it arises.
This guy was ****** at his ex girlfriend. Without a gun he probably still woulda killer her and himself.
Short answer, as mentioned above, is if you see someone drowning, you are under no legal obligation to save their life. Even if you are an Olympic swimmer. You can run away or just stand and watch them drown to death. Not a legal question. A personal moral question/decision.
Having LE training/experience and believing what I believe, I would have a hard time not intervening but this doesn’t mean every person should. It’s complicated and there are many factors that come into play individually. In the past this question always seemed like just another crazy hypothetical but not as crazy these days.
Having LE training/experience and believing what I believe, I would have a hard time not intervening but this doesn’t mean every person should. It’s complicated and there are many factors that come into play individually. In the past this question always seemed like just another crazy hypothetical but not as crazy these days.
Know the law.Um, legal implications,
A real possibility, use skill and tactics to mitigate the risk.getting killed yourself by the bad shooter
Impossible unless they are already on the scene. It will be over minutes before there is even a 911 call, statistically. The cops in SD cases are the clean up crew.or police,
Back to number 2, skill. Don't allow yourself to be sloppy.possibly shooting the wrong person…
So let’s just pose this…..Know the law.
A real possibility, use skill and tactics to mitigate the risk.
Impossible unless they are already on the scene. It will be over minutes before there is even a 911 call, statistically. The cops in SD cases are the clean up crew.
Back to number 2, skill. Don't allow yourself to be sloppy.
You see a young person with a gun. It looks a little strange and out of place. But until they actually shoot somebody like a kid or girl or somebody else who’s unarmed how do you know they are the bad guy? What if he’s running toward a building where his wife is inside being attacked? He might not have proper training, might be losing self control due to the fear of losing his spouse or whatever.
How does one intervene to save the first life and be sure it was the right thing to do?
There was a case not too long ago where a civilian saw one person on top of another wrestling with them. It looked like an attack to him. He shot the person on top. Turned out that person was an off duty cop trying to arrest somebody.
Because life isnt a Charles Bronson movie.
With that said, there are plenty of good guys with guns saving the day, every day. They just dont fit the medias narrative and make headlines.
With that said, there are plenty of good guys with guns saving the day, every day. They just dont fit the medias narrative and make headlines.
Very valid potential scenario. When in doubt, don’t fire. Things aren’t always black and white. This is why it’s so complicated. Unfortunately in your scenario, there is no way around needing to communicate with the armed subject. Better have cover when doing so. An armed subject dressed in black while firing at 9 year olds, a bit easier to discern what’s going on.So let’s just pose this…..
You see a young person with a gun. It looks a little strange and out of place. But until they actually shoot somebody like a kid or girl or somebody else who’s unarmed how do you know they are the bad guy? What if he’s running toward a building where his wife is inside being attacked? He might not have proper training, might be losing self control due to the fear of losing his spouse or whatever.
How does one intervene to save the first life and be sure it was the right thing to do?
There was a case not too long ago where a civilian saw one person on top of another wrestling with them. It looked like an attack to him. He shot the person on top. Turned out that person was an off duty cop trying to arrest somebody.
OK, so you observe.So let’s just pose this…..
You see a young person with a gun. It looks a little strange and out of place.
Yep, until they are murdering people there is nothing you can do. That is the price we pay to live in a free society.But until they actually shoot somebody like a kid or girl or somebody else who’s unarmed how do you know they are the bad guy?
Help him?What if he’s running toward a building where his wife is inside being attacked?
What IS the proper training? I worked with cops that lost control over relatively minor situations.He might not have proper training, might be losing self control due to the fear of losing his spouse or whatever.
Easy, when one is watching someone slaughtering innocent people it is pretty obvious.How does one intervene to save the first life and be sure it was the right thing to do?
Intervention is fraught with danger. You better be pretty darn sure about what you are doing before you use deadly force. There is no excuse for using deadly force when it is not warranted, it is the LAST option.There was a case not too long ago where a civilian saw one person on top of another wrestling with them. It looked like an attack to him. He shot the person on top. Turned out that person was an off duty cop trying to arrest somebody.
I asked how do you prevent the first death not after seeing people get slaughtered. All else I agree withOK, so you observe.
Yep, until they are murdering people there is nothing you can do. That is the price we pay to live in a free society.
Help him?
What IS the proper training? I worked with cops that lost control over relatively minor situations.
Easy, when one is watching someone slaughtering innocent people it is pretty obvious.
Intervention is fraught with danger. You better be pretty darn sure about what you are doing before you use deadly force. There is no excuse for using deadly force when it is not warranted, it is the LAST option.
That’s easy. Bad guy has the Makarov. 🤪So here.... View attachment 458210
In Australia we have a duty of care, but yes, could you live with yours afterwards knowing you could have, should have, done something to assist.Short answer, as mentioned above, is if you see someone drowning, you are under no legal obligation to save their life. Even if you are an Olympic swimmer. You can run away or just stand and watch them drown to death. Not a legal question. A personal moral question/decision.
Having LE training/experience and believing what I believe, I would have a hard time not intervening but this doesn’t mean every person should. It’s complicated and there are many factors that come into play individually. In the past this question always seemed like just another crazy hypothetical but not as crazy these days.
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