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After a few exchanges with Twistedracer I said that i would post a comparison. So, here it goes. Where to start? Please bear with me.
Other than the grip frame, the features are very similar.

92X:
Centrian.
Vertec frame/grip. Full size.
Recessed target crown 4.25" barrel. Black
"D" hammer spring.
Extended magazine release.
Steel trigger.
Vertec slide with dovetailed front sight. Orange.
Combat style rear black serrated sight with square front.
Mine is an FS saftey/decocker.
Added G10 grips. Came with two grip panels. Vertec, and a wraround
that simulates a traditional Beretta grip.
Steel Guide rod.

LTT: Full size.
Standard Beretta frame/grip.
Recessed target crown 4.7" barrel. Stainless.
"D" hammer spring.
Extended magazine release
Steel trigger. Stainless.
Vertec slide with dovetailed front sight. Red fiber optic.
Combat style rear black serrated sight with square front.
"G" decocker only.
G10 VZ grips.
Steel guide rod. Stainless finish. Magnetic. Tungsten?
Skeletonized Hammer.
Chrome silicon recoil spring. The other springs may be also. I haven't
broken it down that far to see.

So. There are my details on both. If I have omitted anything or errored, sorry.
I prefer the feel of the traditional Beretta grip/frame, preferably with a thinner aftermarket grip, although the Vertec suits me fine also with a thinner aftermarket grip. The Vertec grip feels almost round to me. But, not uncomfortable.
The LTT trigger smoothed out very quickly. It has a shorter reset. The trigger on the 92X probably needs a bit of work. Probably just a bit of a clean up like I've done on other 92s.
The LTT is a bit nose heavy to me. Must be the Vertec slide and Stainless 4.7" barrel. Funny though, my full size Inox doesn't feel that way.
On the range, the LTT grouped a bit tighter than the 92X, as expected. I still have work to do with both.
Believe it or not, I like the fiber optic front sight on the LTT. HA!
Overall, a bit more bang for the buck out of the box with the LTT. But at a price.

I'm putting together another post with details on several current Beretta offerings. Including these two.
 

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Both fine looking Italian ladies.
I’m curious as to the right side safety levers. They look like they are different from each other. Any insight on this?

And I agree, fiber optic sights are nice. Really help out the old eyes. Did you get red or green?
 

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Both fine looking Italian ladies.
I’m curious as to the right side safety levers. They look like they are different from each other. Any insight on this?

And I agree, fiber optic sights are nice. Really help out the old eyes. Did you get red or green?

Yes. The right side safety levers are different. The 92x pictured has the traditional F/FS safety/decocker. The 92 LTT pictured is a G model. Decocker only. The safety lever on it appears identical to the F/FS to G conversion kit offered by Beretta.

The front fiber optic is red. (At least for now).
 

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Yes. The right side safety levers are different. The 92x pictured has the traditional F/FS safety/decocker. The 92 LTT pictured is a G model. Decocker only. The safety lever on it appears identical to the F/FS to G conversion kit offered by Beretta.

The front fiber optic is red. (At least for now).
Call me a sucker for aesthetics but I prefer the looks of the safety on the 92X. Would be nice if Langdon kept that shape for the G decocker. But I’m thinking that Langdons safety can be switched back and forth from G to F.

Wilson’s G levers have the smooth look. But if I remember reading correctly, after his machining it can’t be swapped back to F which is no problem for me.

Oh boy, I think I’m wanting this Wilson. Next year hopefully.
 

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Slide Balance

I find your comment on the balance interesting.
The full-size Vertec slide versus the half inch shorter Vertec Centurion slide is easy to understand the balance. Just like a 5” 1911 vs the 4.25” 1911.
But the full-size Inox? Is the Vertec slide a heavier/thicker/sturdier design than the original? I know that the Brigadier slide is. More education here lol.
 

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I find your comment on the balance interesting.
The full-size Vertec slide versus the half inch shorter Vertec Centurion slide is easy to understand the balance. Just like a 5” 1911 vs the 4.25” 1911.
But the full-size Inox? Is the Vertec slide a heavier/thicker/sturdier design than the original? I know that the Brigadier slide is. More education here lol.
I did a bit more comparison. This time between the 92LTT and the 92 Inox. I wanted to see what differences I could come up with for my perception of the LTT feeling more muzzle heavy than the Inox.
Weight: 92LTT is 34.8 oz. 92 Inox is 33.3 oz.
Depending where you look! I don’t yet have a proper scale for this comparison. But in my hand the difference seems more than 1.5oz.
LTT barrel, 4.7” stainless. Inox 4.9” stainless.
The LTT has a steel guide rod while my Inox has a polymer guide rod.
The LTT frame has a rail while the Inox does not.
Slide dimensions on width are similar.
At the rear serrations: LTT is 1.110”. The Inox is 1.107”.
At the front: LTT is 1.112”. The Inox is 1.111”.
Front at muzzle top to bottom: LTT is 1.499”. Inox is 1.457”.
The slide is a bit thicker here to probably accommodate the dovetail cut for the front sight on the LTT Vertec M9A3 slide.
So, after this brief examination and comparison, I understand why the LTT feels a bit heavier up front than the Inox. At least to me.
 

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I did a bit more comparison. This time between the 92LTT and the 92 Inox. I wanted to see what differences I could come up with for my perception of the LTT feeling more muzzle heavy than the Inox.
Weight: 92LTT is 34.8 oz. 92 Inox is 33.3 oz.
Depending where you look! I don’t yet have a proper scale for this comparison. But in my hand the difference seems more than 1.5oz.
LTT barrel, 4.7” stainless. Inox 4.9” stainless.
The LTT has a steel guide rod while my Inox has a polymer guide rod.
The LTT frame has a rail while the Inox does not.
Slide dimensions on width are similar.
At the rear serrations: LTT is 1.110”. The Inox is 1.107”.
At the front: LTT is 1.112”. The Inox is 1.111”.
Front at muzzle top to bottom: LTT is 1.499”. Inox is 1.457”.
The slide is a bit thicker here to probably accommodate the dovetail cut for the front sight on the LTT Vertec M9A3 slide.
So, after this brief examination and comparison, I understand why the LTT feels a bit heavier up front than the Inox. At least to me.

I think that nose heaviness is mostly from the steel guide rod and the rail. All that weight is up front.
 
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Call me a sucker for aesthetics but I prefer the looks of the safety on the 92X. Would be nice if Langdon kept that shape for the G decocker. But I’m thinking that Langdons safety can be switched back and forth from G to F.

Wilson’s G levers have the smooth look. But if I remember reading correctly, after his machining it can’t be swapped back to F which is no problem for me.

Oh boy, I think I’m wanting this Wilson. Next year hopefully.
From Wilson’s website it appears as though the right side decocking lever on a “G” model is a standard F/FS safety/decocker lever. I haven’t handled one for some time so I can’t really say.
The Langdon “G” model has the standard Beretta conversion. Well, at least mine does. I checked back on their website and pics support this. Their sight leads me to believe that the safety/decocker would be an option.
The standard safety/decocker right side lever is a formed/stamped sheet metal part that fits into the safety assembly shaft with a 90 degree bend and two pins.
The decocker right side lever on the Langdon appears to be a solid cast or MIM part that is bored and slips over the safety/decocker shaft and is held in place by a roll pin.
Measurements indicate that the assembly on the LTT is slightly narrower at 1.478” vs the 92x Centurion safety/decocker at 1.495”. Measurements are across the levers. I know visually the LTT appears wider. I believe the shaft on the assembly is longer to accommodate the right side lever mounting.
Thanks for questioning. I gained a bit more knowledge.
 

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From Wilson’s website it appears as though the right side decocking lever on a “G” model is a standard F/FS safety/decocker lever. I haven’t handled one for some time so I can’t really say.
The Langdon “G” model has the standard Beretta conversion. Well, at least mine does. I checked back on their website and pics support this. Their sight leads me to believe that the safety/decocker would be an option.
The standard safety/decocker right side lever is a formed/stamped sheet metal part that fits into the safety assembly shaft with a 90 degree bend and two pins.
The decocker right side lever on the Langdon appears to be a solid cast or MIM part that is bored and slips over the safety/decocker shaft and is held in place by a roll pin.
Measurements indicate that the assembly on the LTT is slightly narrower at 1.478” vs the 92x Centurion safety/decocker at 1.495”.
Thanks for questioning. I gained a bit more knowledge.
Thanks for the extra pics. Can’t get enough of those lol.
 
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I sold my LTT and bought the 92X performance and added the LTT trigger bar, polished the internals, added LOK grips, and added a 12 lb hammer spring from MCARBO. It is much heavier, but the action feels exactly the same. I also prefer the safety on the frame. No regrets at this time.

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recently converted my 92 to a G model and added a D hammer spring, both easy upgrades that made a dig difference, also replaced the poly trigger and mag button with OEM steel parts, I can see a 92X in the near future
 
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