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Another underrated pistol- the Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact

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For what it's worth (not much), I wrote about how my Langdonized Beretta PX4 Storm is one of my favorite and most underrated pistols (my actual favorite pistol is my P229). Another one is my Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact (the last of the M2.0 releases). The vastly underrated M&P9 Subcompact is the M2.0 refresh of the original "M&P Compact" (a.k.a. the M&P9c) that I purchased when it first came out, and carried it for eight years in .40 S&W (the M&P40c).

My newer M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact is virtually the same gun with some minor upgrades (chambered in 9mm).

First, it has the more aggressive grip texture and steel inserts in the front of the polymer frame. It also has an improved trigger and a 3.6" (versus a the previous 3.5") barrel (though it did not add any length to the original pistol).

The result is a hybrid of the wonderful Glock 19 and legendary Glock 26. It truly is.

The G26 has a 3.43" barrel while the M&P Subcompact has a 3.6". The difference is a slightly longer muzzle and a slightly longer sight radius than the G26: 5.39" vs. 5.9" (a standard G19 is 6.02"). While the barrel is closer to the G26, the sight radius is closer to the G19.

Unlike the Glocks, the M&P's magazine sleeves are more in-keeping with the look and feel of the larger pistols.

The trigger is also very good. I know a lot of people prefer the newer bladed triggers of M&Ps being released going forward, but if your primary concern is accuracy (i.e. a trigger which when pulled does not vibrate the front sight), this version won't disappoint. For me, I don't care about other aspects of the trigger unless it interferes with accuracy (and this is plenty accurate).

The reset is about as long as it can be and still be shot rapidly without sacrificing accuracy (at speed)... mostly. I did order a $45 Apex fully machined sear to reduce trigger pull weight, shorten over-travel, and improve the reset. Right now I can pull the trigger at under 5 lbs., but it averages between 5.5 and 6 lbs. (closer to six most of the time). I don't know how much the sear will lighten the trigger, but like I said, it's already accurate so it will probably just make it a little more consistent. I could always throw an Apex trigger in it if I want a flat trigger, but I'm satisfied with it as is.

The grip texturing is wonderful. It really allows you to grab hold of this pistol better than a G19 or P320 in my opinion. That said, while it feels wonderful in my hands, sometimes it feels scratchy against my skin. I'm not sure what it is. Most of the time it feels fine, but sometimes I am more sensitive to it than others. If you wear a t-shirt under your shirt, it won't matter, but many does it feel good shooting it.

One of the greatest things about this pistol, however, is its versatility. Because it's muzzle is closer to that of a G26 than a G19, it can be carried in a high-riding holster OWB and still keep the muzzle above the hemline of a t-shirt. And with it's 12+1 flush magazine, the pistol's height is about 4.3" (same as the P365) keeping it from printing better than a compact (in nothing but a t-shirt). But unlike a P365 or Hellcat, it takes the standard 15 and 17-round magazines of its larger brothers to function more like a compact or full-size handgun (something the aforementioned pistols cannot touch in my opinion).

Yes, the M&P Subcompact is wider than a P365 or the Hellcat, but it's also a 12-round magazine flush. It's not quite as concealable, obviously, but it is concealable enough if you don't need it to be a pocket pistol. By the way, in a pinch, yes, you could pocket the Subcompact in loose cargo pants or shorts, but I personally wouldn't do that unless I had to.

Still, the best way to carry a pistol in my opinion is either AIWB, IWB, or OWB (pocket carry is fine when necessary, but it's still puts the shooter at a disadvantage, so I only pocket my Ruger LCP II on occasion anyway).

The ergonomics are excellent. They are as good as a P320 (in my opinion) and far better than a Glock. It doesn't point as naturally as a SIG or Beretta, however. It's somewhere between those pistols and a Glock, but it's easy to get used to. They claim it's the same grip angle as a 1911, but I still prefer my SIG P229's and Beretta PX4 Storm Compact's grip-angles. It's easier to warm up to the M&P than a Glock in my opinion, but it also has the advantage of slightly canting your wrist to align the sights (like the Glock) to improve the controllability of the pistol.

the M&P Subcompact is also approximately the same weight as a P320 XCompact (about 25 ounces). The ergonomics also prevents slide bite (unlike a Glock 19 where I have to use the beavertail). The bore axis is lower than the P320 so the M&P is actually flatter shooter. Moreover, I like having an integrated trigger safety (tabbed or hinged).

Most of all, I just like the size of the gun especially in it's 15+1 configuration (which is 5" compared to the 5.3" of a compact P320, which is also tied with the G19). In fact, every magazine size feels great!

It's a little heavier than the G19, but that also mitigates the recoil making them very similar. But it's slightly more compact than the [compact] G19. It feels better in the hand, and it just seems like the perfect concealed carry pistol size in my opinion. If the Glock 45 is a combination of a G17 and a G19, like I said, this is the size of a G19 cross-pollinated with a G26. If a G26 can win champion GSSF matches against a G34, this is no different. It still retains the width and surface area of a full-size gun to distribute recoil (especially at speed), but it's more concealable and a better fighting pistol than any micro-nine in my opinion.

I have mine outfitted with orange square painted Ameriglos (my favorite front sight) and blacked out rears.

Pictured below: Close to a G26 in size. It's actually shorter in height than a G26 in it's +2 configuration, and certainly shorter than a P365 in its +2 configuration. It's actually the same size as the P365 in its 10+1 magazine (4.3").
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Even a Glock 19 is still larger than what Col. Cooper would have preferred considering he thought a 9mm should be only about 2/3rds the size of a Beretta M9. The M&P Subcompact is still technically a little larger than 2/3rds, but being smaller than a G19, I think it's perfect.

Like I said, it's a very underrated pistol. I hear next to nothing about it, but I've owned this pistol for almost two years and I had the original since back in 2005. Out of the dozens of carry guns I've owned over the years, this is definitely up there with the best. I'm a DA/SA man when it comes to compact and full-size pistols, but for smaller compacts, subcompacts, and micro-pistols, you really can't beat a striker-fired gun because it's ability to engineer the pistol with a lower bore axis.

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This was going to be my CCW however the LGS showed me the P365 XL.
For some reason I still wanted an MP2.0 but since I have a P365 XL for the CC role I opted to get the 4.0" MP 2.0 9C as the "bigger" handgun.
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That’s a good looking firearm. How well do they shoot ? Similar to a 365 ?
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That’s a good looking firearm. How well do they shoot ? Similar to a 365 ?
Love the M&P lines. I have Gen 1's and 2's, all with Apex trigger upgrades. Some of my best shooters!
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Love the M&P lines. I have Gen 1's and 2's, all with Apex trigger upgrades. Some of my best shooters!
I have a MP Performance Center with Apex trigger and Vortex Venom. I put it together for possible classes. It is an incredible shooter. its too big to carry, so right now it sits as a bedside gun.

I need to use it more than I do
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Good timing. I've been enjoying my M&P 10mm so much, it's making me think about adding a smaller EDC version to the stable as well, although I'm leaning toward the Shield Plus.
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I agree I have 2 x 1.0’s both worked over extensively by ATEi. The 3.6 even has the full Nickel Boron treatment. It’s my night time carry. The 4.25 was my 3 gun main until I went to the Steyr pistols. I am tempted to get it milled for an optic but I am afraid the NiB will chip during the process. The gun is supremely reliable and eats everything.
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LOL! :ROFLMAO: :LOL: ... ah no.

My EDC sub-compact these days is my 3.5" 10mm S&W model 1013. Steel slide, aluminum alloy frame. Hogue's Pau Ferro checkered grips.

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At 8+1 capacity, its hot-loaded every morning with UW's balls-the-wall 200grn JHPs @ 1250fps. Out of the 3.5" tube, actual velocity is probably more like 1180fps. Still, that's not exactly a 40-level junk load. (y)

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For 10 years my EDC was S&W Shield Gen 1 (low capacity). I liked it and shot it well. only replaced it with a 365XL.
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LOL! :ROFLMAO: :LOL: ... ah no.

My EDC sub-compact these days is my 3.5" 10mm S&W model 1013. Steel slide, aluminum alloy frame. Hogue's Pau Ferro checkered grips.

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At 8+1 capacity, its hot-loaded every morning with UW's balls-the-wall 200grn JHPs @ 1250fps. Out of the 3.5" tube, that's probably more like 1180fps. Still, that's not exactly a 40-level junk load. (y)

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Whoa!! That looks like a wrist breaker
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That’s a good looking firearm. How well do they shoot ? Similar to a 365 ?
Way better than a P365. There's more surface area and weight to distribute and absorb recoil.
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For 10 years my EDC was S&W Shield Gen 1 (low capacity). I liked it and shot it well. only replaced it with a 365XL.
I really replaced the Shield because I sold some shotguns and had a pile of money. I live in Florida and state law says that when you sell a gun the proceeds must be used to purchase more guns. LOL.
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Whoa!! That looks like a wrist breaker
Surprisingly soft recoil (for its size) due to the internal set-up: double-recoil springs and a shock buffer.
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I love my M&P subcompact. Near perfect size IMHO, good ergonomics, and the magazine options make it really flexible. Can use the flush 12 for the smallest footprint, and carry a spare 15 or 17.

I installed an APEX aluminum trigger in mine. Not that I found the stock trigger to be bad; I just prefer the feel of metal over plastic.

Due to my preference for DA/SA or DAO Sigs, I don't carry the M&P very often but I'm still happy I have one.
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LOL! :ROFLMAO: :LOL: ... ah no.

My EDC sub-compact these days is my 3.5" 10mm S&W model 1013. Steel slide, aluminum alloy frame. Hogue's Pau Ferro checkered grips.

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At 8+1 capacity, its hot-loaded every morning with UW's balls-the-wall 200grn JHPs @ 1250fps. Out of the 3.5" tube, actual velocity is probably more like 1180fps. Still, that's not exactly a 40-level junk load. (y)

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looks very similar to the S&W "Chief's Special 40cal" that I owned. big hands so I was ok with the distance between backstrap and the trigger. DAO, so not the best for all-day paper punching, but solid gun.
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My Wife had choices and the oppty to try a number of pistols years back. she chose the M&P compact for her purse carry. Liked that you could swap out the backstraps...so her smaller hands fit well, compared to my big monkey paws.

I will say that guns like the M&P were what kept me from entering the 9mm tupperware party.
I'm a 1911 guy and the trigger reset on the M&P...well...pack a lunch cause it's a long walk.
But if that's your primary platform, you get used to it.
I still occasionally shoot her pistol, but have never liked it.
But she does, and she does well with it, so I'm glad there is one in the house.
it has been flawlessly reliable and accurate.
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YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURES IF THE POST IS TOO LONG...

For what it's worth (not much), I wrote about how my Langdonized Beretta PX4 Storm is one of my favorite and most underrated pistols (my actual favorite pistol is my P229). Another one is my Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact (the last of the M2.0 releases). The vastly underrated M&P9 Subcompact is the M2.0 refresh of the original "M&P Compact" (a.k.a. the M&P9c) that I purchased when it first came out, and carried it for eight years in .40 S&W (the M&P40c).

My newer M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact is virtually the same gun with some minor upgrades (chambered in 9mm).

First, it has the more aggressive grip texture and steel inserts in the front of the polymer frame. It also has an improved trigger and a 3.6" (versus a the previous 3.5") barrel (though it did not add any length to the original pistol).

The result is a hybrid of the wonderful Glock 19 and legendary Glock 26. It truly is.

The G26 has a 3.43" barrel while the M&P Subcompact has a 3.6". The difference is a slightly longer muzzle and a slightly longer sight radius than the G26: 5.39" vs. 5.9" (a standard G19 is 6.02"). While the barrel is closer to the G26, the sight radius is closer to the G19.

Unlike the Glocks, the M&P's magazine sleeves are more in-keeping with the look and feel of the larger pistols.

The trigger is also very good. I know a lot of people prefer the newer bladed triggers of M&Ps being released going forward, but if your primary concern is accuracy (i.e. a trigger which when pulled does not vibrate the front sight), this version won't disappoint. For me, I don't care about other aspects of the trigger unless it interferes with accuracy (and this is plenty accurate).

The reset is about as long as it can be and still be shot rapidly without sacrificing accuracy (at speed)... mostly. I did order a $45 Apex fully machined sear to reduce trigger pull weight, shorten over-travel, and improve the reset. Right now I can pull the trigger at under 5 lbs., but it averages between 5.5 and 6 lbs. (closer to six most of the time). I don't know how much the sear will lighten the trigger, but like I said, it's already accurate so it will probably just make it a little more consistent. I could always throw an Apex trigger in it if I want a flat trigger, but I'm satisfied with it as is.

The grip texturing is wonderful. It really allows you to grab hold of this pistol better than a G19 or P320 in my opinion. That said, while it feels wonderful in my hands, sometimes it feels scratchy against my skin. I'm not sure what it is. Most of the time it feels fine, but sometimes I am more sensitive to it than others. If you wear a t-shirt under your shirt, it won't matter, but many does it feel good shooting it.

One of the greatest things about this pistol, however, is its versatility. Because it's muzzle is closer to that of a G26 than a G19, it can be carried in a high-riding holster OWB and still keep the muzzle above the hemline of a t-shirt. And with it's 12+1 flush magazine, the pistol's height is about 4.3" (same as the P365) keeping it from printing better than a compact (in nothing but a t-shirt). But unlike a P365 or Hellcat, it takes the standard 15 and 17-round magazines of its larger brothers to function more like a compact or full-size handgun (something the aforementioned pistols cannot touch in my opinion).

Yes, the M&P Subcompact is wider than a P365 or the Hellcat, but it's also a 12-round magazine flush. It's not quite as concealable, obviously, but it is concealable enough if you don't need it to be a pocket pistol. By the way, in a pinch, yes, you could pocket the Subcompact in loose cargo pants or shorts, but I personally wouldn't do that unless I had to.

Still, the best way to carry a pistol in my opinion is either AIWB, IWB, or OWB (pocket carry is fine when necessary, but it's still puts the shooter at a disadvantage, so I only pocket my Ruger LCP II on occasion anyway).

The ergonomics are excellent. They are as good as a P320 (in my opinion) and far better than a Glock. It doesn't point as naturally as a SIG or Beretta, however. It's somewhere between those pistols and a Glock, but it's easy to get used to. They claim it's the same grip angle as a 1911, but I still prefer my SIG P229's and Beretta PX4 Storm Compact's grip-angles. It's easier to warm up to the M&P than a Glock in my opinion, but it also has the advantage of slightly canting your wrist to align the sights (like the Glock) to improve the controllability of the pistol.

the M&P Subcompact is also approximately the same weight as a P320 XCompact (about 25 ounces). The ergonomics also prevents slide bite (unlike a Glock 19 where I have to use the beavertail). The bore axis is lower than the P320 so the M&P is actually flatter shooter. Moreover, I like having an integrated trigger safety (tabbed or hinged).

Most of all, I just like the size of the gun especially in it's 15+1 configuration (which is 5" compared to the 5.3" of a compact P320, which is also tied with the G19). In fact, every magazine size feels great!

It's a little heavier than the G19, but that also mitigates the recoil making them very similar. But it's slightly more compact than the [compact] G19. It feels better in the hand, and it just seems like the perfect concealed carry pistol size in my opinion. If the Glock 45 is a combination of a G17 and a G19, like I said, this is the size of a G19 cross-pollinated with a G26. If a G26 can win champion GSSF matches against a G34, this is no different. It still retains the width and surface area of a full-size gun to distribute recoil (especially at speed), but it's more concealable and a better fighting pistol than any micro-nine in my opinion.

I have mine outfitted with orange square painted Ameriglos (my favorite front sight) and blacked out rears.

Pictured below: Close to a G26 in size. It's actually shorter in height than a G26 in it's +2 configuration, and certainly shorter than a P365 in its +2 configuration. It's actually the same size as the P365 in its 10+1 magazine (4.3").
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Even a Glock 19 is still larger than what Col. Cooper would have preferred considering he thought a 9mm should be only about 2/3rds the size of a Beretta M9. The M&P Subcompact is still technically a little larger than 2/3rds, but being smaller than a G19, I think it's perfect.

Like I said, it's a very underrated pistol. I hear next to nothing about it, but I've owned this pistol for almost two years and I had the original since back in 2005. Out of the dozens of carry guns I've owned over the years, this is definitely up there with the best. I'm a DA/SA man when it comes to compact and full-size pistols, but for smaller compacts, subcompacts, and micro-pistols, you really can't beat a striker-fired gun because it's ability to engineer the pistol with a lower bore axis.

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BTW, I just installed a $45 Apex Fully Machined Sear and I just pulled 4 lbs. 1 oz. on my Lyman digital trigger pull scale. I don't notice much difference with the reset (maybe it's slightly more audible), but the trigger is great. No $180 Apex trigger needed for me. I have the SQUARE orange Ameriglo night sights on it which have more paint and are easier to pick up. The recoil is more manageable than a P365, Hellcat or even the Shield Plus, and apart form pocket carry (I have a Ruger LCP II to stick in the pocket if I need it), it's plenty concealable. In fact, SA has release a bunch of Hellcats with a compensator that is 7.0" in overall length. The M&P Subcompact is only 6.6". In all actuality, the width of the grip is not enough difference to notice (same with the height), and because it's 25 ounces I think it still shoots better than a compensated hellcat. I think the difference between a micronine that doesn't shoot as well is whether or not you need to pocket the gun. I can't discern enough of a difference to justify a pistol I can't shoot as well under pressure when 70% of accuracy tends to go out the window, but that's just me.
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Sheepdogged, Thanks for the great post. I’ve got the slightly big brother of yours that you represented with the extended magazine, which I refer to as my Smith and Wesson Glock 26X LOL.



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That’s a good looking firearm. How well do they shoot ? Similar to a 365 ?
In my opinion much better. It's really not a fair comparison though. The Subcompact is a 25 ounce gun with more surface area, more aggressive texturing and two more rounds for the same height. The P365 shines because it's a bit more concealable and can be pocket carried (yes, I can squeeze a Subcompact in my pocket with the flush magazine, but I wouldn't want to carry it that way for sure). The P365 and Hellcat are both great guns. I already have a Shield, so I went with the M&P9 M2.0 Subcompact.
I love my M&P subcompact. Near perfect size IMHO, good ergonomics, and the magazine options make it really flexible. Can use the flush 12 for the smallest footprint, and carry a spare 15 or 17.

I installed an APEX aluminum trigger in mine. Not that I found the stock trigger to be bad; I just prefer the feel of metal over plastic.

Due to my preference for DA/SA or DAO Sigs, I don't carry the M&P very often but I'm still happy I have one.
I'm the same way regarding how much I carry it versus my DA/SA pistols. These are my primary carries (below). They're a little redundant because they're so close in size, but if I could only have one it would be the SIG, but I can't seem to part with the PX4 Storm Compact Inox. I've tried.


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