[tvanorden]

I found this story online. Wondering who among us may have had experiences like this (edited below), and how you handled it ...

[The original writer has] been stopped at schools, and a few businesses and asked if I have a gun in [a belt pouch]. Everytime I get stopped it is recognized as an "AMMO Pouch". "Is that an ammo pouch"? I used to be happy to say yes. At a school I was told to leave and remove it before I was allowed in. ... I need my meds .... They, for some reason, think that because they recognize it as an ammo pouch that is magically turns into a holster and they become stupid as a result. ... At the schools I consent to search, since it is their right to ask and I need to do my job ... [While shopping at] a ****, what I thought was another shopper stopped me and asked me in a friendly manner if what I had there was an ammo pouch. I was excited to share what essentially I'm using as a man's purse. He then changed his tone, after I pulled out my phone to show him how big the pocket was. I placed my whole hand in the pouch and retrieved the phone. He took a defensive sideways stance and asked, "is there a gun in there?" Still thinking it was another shopper I said, "there might be." He asked to see it and I said I wasn't going to pull a gun out in the store. He then asked me to leave the store and it was then revealed he was a plain clothed security guy who normally deals with shoplifters. The police were not called or anything but I have a rule. NEVER say you don't have a gun unless it is a perjury offence. This tactic becomes dicey on the new medical forms, they don't care about my pool as a threat to my children but they ask me about my guns every time. Do you have any guns? Yes. Do you lock them up and keep the ammo separate from the gun? No. After the hair pulling and the gnashing of teeth where this non medical line of questioning comes from, I inform them that they need a better question. I might just be locking up the ammo, or locking them up together, unloaded. The only way they are going to know is to try a little home invasion.

So, how do you handle a busybody or store security? Take the poll ...

 

[phlyers13]

I don’t carry a purse and if I did I have no idea why anyone would ask if I had a weapon inside of it. This seems like some kind of made up fantasy story.

 

[hauki]

Store body search when CCW

The other day I was stopped by a store employee after exiting a store (I was outside of the doors walking to my truck). They asked to see my bag. After they verified that the items and the receipt matched up he let me on my way. But it got me thinking what I'd do if I was asked to come inside...

www.sigtalk.com

I'm not trying to steal your thread, and moderators if this is inappropriate then please delete, but I had a similar incident and turned it into thread.

 

[tvanorden]

I don’t carry a purse and if I did I have no idea why anyone would ask if I had a weapon inside of it. This seems like some kind of made up fantasy story.

OK, but what's your plan if you're wearing a Sneaky Pete holster or a large pouch on your belt?

 

[tvanorden]

Store body search when CCW

The other day I was stopped by a store employee after exiting a store (I was outside of the doors walking to my truck). They asked to see my bag. After they verified that the items and the receipt matched up he let me on my way. But it got me thinking what I'd do if I was asked to come inside...

www.sigtalk.com

I'm not trying to steal your thread, and moderators if this is inappropriate then please delete, but I had a similar incident and turned it into thread.

Thanks, but I think the premise here is a little different. There was no question of shoplifting. He was approached and questioned (in this case by security, but it could be any do-gooder) about carrying. Something similar could happen at almost any time you're in public.

 

[hauki]

OK, but what's your plan if you're wearing a Sneaky Pete holster or a large pouch on your belt?

It is a good question that you ask. I wear a Sneaky Pete with standard size P365 a lot (several times a week for the past 2 years) and only once, superficially, was I asked what was inside. I said a "tool". I could probably lie and say it is my inhalers or something.

 

[LEEEAGLE]

I would not comply with either scenario! Being asked to check my bags is one thing, although I would be mildly insulted, check the contents to the receipt or whatever you have to do, that's where it ends! As far as any form of body search, or pat down, no can do buddy! If you're that bothered by it I'll wait by the front door while you call whoever you need to call. If you try to put hands on me or take me into custody, game on emffr!

 

[tvanorden]

I would not comply with either scenario! Being asked to check my bags is one thing, although I would be mildly insulted, check the contents to the receipt or whatever you have to do, that's where it ends! As far as any form of body search, or pat down, no can do buddy! If you're that bothered by it I'll wait by the front door while you call whoever you need to call. If you try to put hands on me or take me into custody, game on emffr!

I agree - but if someone just asks "what's in the pouch?," what do you do or say?

 

[LEEEAGLE]

I agree - but if someone just asks "what's in the pouch?," what do you do or say?

My fourth amendment, any more questions?

 

[bhrees]

Perhaps if this is a more than one time thing examine your set up, is the Cover garment too tight or the carry bag too obvious? It’s supposed to be concealed, maybe you’re pushing the limits

 

[LEEEAGLE]

The way I carry suits me, like I said in the past I don't try to Super conceal because it's not necessary most of the time, and the guns I carry are on the larger side. But when I feel necessary to carry undetectable I use a sticky holster appendix or at the 6:00.

 

[The Heretic]

I agree - but if someone just asks "what's in the pouch?," what do you do or say?

none of your bizness!

 

[Kenk]

I agree - but if someone just asks "what's in the pouch?," what do you do or say?

providing I have a valid permit, which I do, it’s not an officer, and I’m not in a school or a federal building, I’d tell them that it’s really none of their concern, and then walk away

 

[SIGWiz226]

The answer is always “NO”

 

[phlyers13]

OK, but what's your plan if you're wearing a Sneaky Pete holster or a large pouch on your belt?

My colostomy bag. Would you like to see it?

 

[Rich Jenkins]

I carry so that this situation does not come up. To date, it has never come up.

In my state (FL), it is not unlawful to "to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense." (Fl Statute Chapter 790 Section 053 "Open Carry of Weapons") If for some unknown to me reason I was asked by another person in a retail setting, "are you carrying a gun?, I will try to politely disengage from further discussion.

One of my favorite pieces of advice is from John Murphy's segment at the Tactical Conference in Memphis I went to: use the "AAA" rule - Always Avoid A ( )'s. If someone badgers you, just going about your business, probably best to avoid them if you can. If they persist in an unwanted conversation, in a social setting, I will probably remember I need to be somewhere else and take my leave. There are a lot of weird people out there these days, and I'd really like to not end up on YouTube.

So, choice 3 for me. It's probably worth going to check on the concealed carry laws of YOUR state, though, so you know where you stand.

 

[Spiritfox]

That is an advantage of a pocket pistol which I usually carry in a Vedder pocket holster. Really no way anyone has any business asking what is in your pocket. So NOYB rules.

 

[Bad Bob]

I agree - but if someone just asks "what's in the pouch?," what do you do or say?

My nads....

 

[Alaskapopo]

My fourth amendment, any more questions?

Your 4th amendment rights protect against government searches and seizures not ones by private business or citizens on their property.

 

[LEEEAGLE]

Your 4th amendment rights protect against government searches and seizures not ones by private business or citizens on their property.

Really? Thank you for that new information I wasn't aware of that! So then does my second amendment only apply to the government as well? And I better surrender my gun to that store clerk? And what about the Fifth Amendment? Do I need to tell him everything he asks? Or else! Thank you for the Constitutional update I better rethink everything I thought I knew. Maybe I should just stay home and let the wife do all the shopping!