[StreetRod750]

The solution is to carry at home, if a means of immediate defense is of concern. That’s what I do. All of my grandchildren know I’m always armed, and it’s nothing to them. Their fathers grew up with firearms, and taught their kids to hunt.

Any unattended weapon resides in my safe. Otherwise, it’s in a holster on my right hip.

 

[TerminalSigness]

I agree that sex ed and gun safety should be taught early in schools. But, regarding your later comments, nostalgia is no basis for policy.

That said, you are certainly correct that we, as gun owners and enthusiasts (and bigly, NRA), have failed to keep the interest in firearms broad and inclusive. Yes, the only real natural predator of deer is the human hunter. Hunting and sport ownership need to be highlighted. We need a bit of a culture shift. If you're talking about taking arms against the government, I don't see a 2A protection for that threat of violence (maybe 1A but I doubt it). Neither does most of America.

The NM safe storage bill passed and signed on 14 March, https://nmlegis.gov/Sessions/23 Regular/final/HB0009.pdf, has exceptions absolving gun owners:
"A person does not violate Subsection A or B of
this section if a minor obtains a firearm:
(1) that was either kept in a locked
container and was securely stored or kept in a location that
a reasonable person would believe to be secure when obtained
by a minor;
(2) that was carried on the person or within
the person's immediate control;
(3) that was locked with a firearm safety
device that rendered the firearm inoperable;
(4) in the course of self-defense or defense
of another person;
(5) by illegal entry to the person's
property; or
(6) with the authorization of the minor's
parent or guardian for lawful hunting, lawful recreational
use or any other lawful purpose. "

I have no idea, how I am automatically guilty of not “keep the interest of firearms, broad and inclusive” 🤷‍♂️ As a Constitutionally protected Right, just how much more “broad and inclusive” can it possibly be?

I understand that we come from a different world view. I’m just a poor Preachers kid, who has had to build my world, single handedly, while you, being a highly paid professional, have lived as an elitist protected class. BUT, Man, how in the world is my working to provide for and raise a conservative hard working child, automatically assigning to me, the education and enlightening of leftist fools?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Is your safe stuffed full of cash? More importantly, is your daughter home?

My neighbors had two little girls and it was a small neighborhood of townhouses. I went over for dinner once and their mom said they had a question. The one said how come you have so many wives? I'm in sales and I just said I was having a sleepover with a friend. The mom about lost it and the one girl said and once you had three come over. I said I can explain that. I was dating one and all three lived together and were having the apartment repainted. I said just sleep at my house until the smell is gone. But then the neighbor up the street was moving and there was a neighborhood party for them. He was pretty drunk and he says that I was great entertainment for he and his wife with the ladies that ended up in my bedroom. So my sister came over once and said why don't you open the shades?? How do you even explain that?
Back to the point. What has changed in kids? We didn't have shooter drills. There weren't kids and adults going to schools to kill children. We had duck and cover drills, the Vietnam war and the Cold War. Granted these kids now have a possible world wide audience by filming everything that happens. What has changed???

 

[TerminalSigness]

Sure, you should teach your children about gun safety, but that's no excuse for negligence. You can't predict what will happen and who will be involved. Safe, secure storage of firearms is just common sense which I would hope firearm owners would have plenty of.

There are more horrible stories of deaths of innocent people due to negligence than there are of firearm-involving self-defense situations. Don't get your information from television or social media, store them securely. There are so many reasonable options to allow both secure storage and accessibility that there's no excuse. If you can afford the firearm, you can afford to store it responsibly.

~B

Where did you get your information??

 

[B35]

You can't legislate stupid people to do the right thing with a storage law. lol Laws don't make people smarter or more responsible... even by force of law. Amazing.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I think this is 2021.
Lots of areas to improve upon. Suicides and accidents. You commit premeditated murder and it's life. When you die your organs are used where they see fit. Don't care what you want. If you are in for life you automatically get a DNR, no life saving measures. Bet that would cut down on these stats. Prison too tough for you, suicide is an option, your organs go where they are needed.

 

[PaulWVa]

My friend had five guns safes stolen from his house ... no they weren't bolted down... (wonder how many really are?). The safes were found on a riverbank two states away ... empty. Just when you thought your safe was safe ...huh.

I keep three loaded handguns at all times, one on each floor. I'm never too far away from one. No children in my home ever. I don't need any government made up of career politicians. well-dressed criminals and bartenders telling me how to conduct my personal or home defense. Just one of the perks for living here in Gun World ... our state respects the rights of all law-abiding citizens to "keep and bear arms" without looking over everyone's shoulder.

 

[hiketheball]

I disagree with your general assumption. The nationwide call for responsible storage of guns in the home has nothing to do with preventing self-defense. Check the NRA website. It does not take much imagination to setup a place for the home defense firearm that young children can not access. The give no thought to what you are doing careless parent is what is being targeted. And just incase you missed it, yesterday in Texas a four year old got ahold of dad's gun and shot and killed his three year old sibling.

Somehow, I don't think that's what the poster to whom you are reacting to meant.
My father did a similar thing with me.
I son did a similar thing with my son.
My son did a similar thing with my grandson.
However, I do not want to pay the penalty that should be given to a careless parent. Do you?
Liberals said, at one point, "We don't want the Federal Government in our bedrooms!" Do you?
Do you want a bunch of legislature members who do not use firearms regularly or, in many cases, know how firearms even work (let alone don't even know correct terminology for firearms) to make firearm laws for you?

 

[hiketheball]

Sure, you should teach your children about gun safety, but that's no excuse for negligence. You can't predict what will happen and who will be involved. Safe, secure storage of firearms is just common sense which I would hope firearm owners would have plenty of.

There are more horrible stories of deaths of innocent people due to negligence than there are of firearm-involving self-defense situations. Don't get your information from television or social media, store them securely. There are so many reasonable options to allow both secure storage and accessibility that there's no excuse. If you can afford the firearm, you can afford to store it responsibly.

~B

Yes, "there are MORE horrible stories of deaths of innocent people due to negligence than there are of firearm-involving self-defense situations."
Why?
Because of Editorial Discretion not because there are more occurrences of incidence of firearm-involved self-defense situations.
The NRA magazines list 12 or more stories where firearm-involved self-defense situations.
Did you factor those incidents of self-defense into your equation?
The reporting of anti-2A stories is what the average news outlet is pushing on us. They fail to report when a firearm is used to protect people in most cases.
Please don't setup "Straw Man" scenarios.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

The Police know nothing about the guns that were pointed at me or shot at me and about the one time I showed mine to someone who was trying to open the car door of the vehicle I was seated in with my GF. My GF showed the guy or her side her gun. They left. How many times does that happen? I bet it's quite a bit higher than anyone thinks it is.

 

[macten]

Schools, and especially government supported schools, have degenerated into indoctrination centers fueled by politically motivated activists and equipped through university indoctrinated "educators" and "administrators".

Just try addressing a school board meeting to deal with something you disagree with concerning your child's education today.

Most school systems are infected with extreme hoplophobia (fear of guns) and express this through complete suppression of any depiction of images or discussion of firearms. This includes anything that would depict a firearm on clothing, in literature, on computer screens or in the content of course material. For that reason, schools and school systems regularly oppose anything having to do with firearm safety education, and work to channel any funding intended for firearm safety education into indoctrination programs against firearms and firearm ownership. I witness this directly in my own work with state firearms rights groups.

Schools today do not teach American History concerning Second Amendment rights or your right to bear arms or your right to defend yourself. They practice extreme prejudice against any young person that attempts to defend themselves from physical attack or bullying, especially if they are not of a preferred equity group.

A gun owner is responsible for the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. That is a responsibility that the gun owner must understand and accept upon acquisition of any and all firearms and ammunition. It is not a casual responsibility, and is often enforced through state law. In my state, you become responsible for crimes committed by a minor that gains access to your firearms.

Gun control zealots conflate "children" with those criminals being groomed and entering violent street gangs, often technically children between the ages of 13 and 17. They are used by gangs for violent attacks with firearms precisely because they are subject to the juvenile justice system and remain available as adults useful to the gangs when they turn 18 years old. It is disingenuous to argue using statistics about these "children" and "gun violence" that these groomed street thugs commit.

Formal programs for gun safety education are available from a number of private sources including local gun clubs. My own offers marksmanship and safety training to families as well as NRA education programs. I am a certified instructor for those programs.

I oppose any laws which force specific storage solutions upon gun owners. These violate your right to bear arms and ultimately your freedom.

At no time is a gun owner relieved of the responsibility to properly secure and store firearm so that minors and unqualified adults cannot access them, or to educate minors in their care on firearm safety. There are adequate solutions for keeping firearms secured while in active use. These include quick access lock boxes using pushbutton or fingerprint access systems. Firearm safety education is available.

Anyone with access to a firearm needs to have safety training and demonstrate competence in handling a firearm. Again, this is a gun owner's responsibility - but I would oppose any law that imposes legal requirements and jeopardy in this area.

Well said. Especially the indoctrination part.

 

[Spartan American]

Schools, and especially government supported schools, have degenerated into indoctrination centers fueled by politically motivated activists and equipped through university indoctrinated "educators" and "administrators".

Just try addressing a school board meeting to deal with something you disagree with concerning your child's education today.

Most school systems are infected with extreme hoplophobia (fear of guns) and express this through complete suppression of any depiction of images or discussion of firearms. This includes anything that would depict a firearm on clothing, in literature, on computer screens or in the content of course material. For that reason, schools and school systems regularly oppose anything having to do with firearm safety education, and work to channel any funding intended for firearm safety education into indoctrination programs against firearms and firearm ownership. I witness this directly in my own work with state firearms rights groups.

Schools today do not teach American History concerning Second Amendment rights or your right to bear arms or your right to defend yourself. They practice extreme prejudice against any young person that attempts to defend themselves from physical attack or bullying, especially if they are not of a preferred equity group.

A gun owner is responsible for the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. That is a responsibility that the gun owner must understand and accept upon acquisition of any and all firearms and ammunition. It is not a casual responsibility, and is often enforced through state law. In my state, you become responsible for crimes committed by a minor that gains access to your firearms.

Gun control zealots conflate "children" with those criminals being groomed and entering violent street gangs, often technically children between the ages of 13 and 17. They are used by gangs for violent attacks with firearms precisely because they are subject to the juvenile justice system and remain available as adults useful to the gangs when they turn 18 years old. It is disingenuous to argue using statistics about these "children" and "gun violence" that these groomed street thugs commit.

Formal programs for gun safety education are available from a number of private sources including local gun clubs. My own offers marksmanship and safety training to families as well as NRA education programs. I am a certified instructor for those programs.

I oppose any laws which force specific storage solutions upon gun owners. These violate your right to bear arms and ultimately your freedom.

At no time is a gun owner relieved of the responsibility to properly secure and store firearm so that minors and unqualified adults cannot access them, or to educate minors in their care on firearm safety. There are adequate solutions for keeping firearms secured while in active use. These include quick access lock boxes using pushbutton or fingerprint access systems. Firearm safety education is available.

Anyone with access to a firearm needs to have safety training and demonstrate competence in handling a firearm. Again, this is a gun owner's responsibility - but I would oppose any law that imposes legal requirements and jeopardy in this area.

Most school boards are infected with not fear of firearms but fear of you having firearms... On a regular basis you hear about some anti-gun person involved in a shooting or being caught with a firearm, just remember they don't want guns to disappear they just want to be the only ones that have them...

 

[hiketheball]

Schools, and especially government supported schools, have degenerated into indoctrination centers fueled by politically motivated activists and equipped through university indoctrinated "educators" and "administrators".

Just try addressing a school board meeting to deal with something you disagree with concerning your child's education today.

Most school systems are infected with extreme hoplophobia (fear of guns) and express this through complete suppression of any depiction of images or discussion of firearms. This includes anything that would depict a firearm on clothing, in literature, on computer screens or in the content of course material. For that reason, schools and school systems regularly oppose anything having to do with firearm safety education, and work to channel any funding intended for firearm safety education into indoctrination programs against firearms and firearm ownership. I witness this directly in my own work with state firearms rights groups.

Schools today do not teach American History concerning Second Amendment rights or your right to bear arms or your right to defend yourself. They practice extreme prejudice against any young person that attempts to defend themselves from physical attack or bullying, especially if they are not of a preferred equity group.

A gun owner is responsible for the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. That is a responsibility that the gun owner must understand and accept upon acquisition of any and all firearms and ammunition. It is not a casual responsibility, and is often enforced through state law. In my state, you become responsible for crimes committed by a minor that gains access to your firearms.

Gun control zealots conflate "children" with those criminals being groomed and entering violent street gangs, often technically children between the ages of 13 and 17. They are used by gangs for violent attacks with firearms precisely because they are subject to the juvenile justice system and remain available as adults useful to the gangs when they turn 18 years old. It is disingenuous to argue using statistics about these "children" and "gun violence" that these groomed street thugs commit.

Formal programs for gun safety education are available from a number of private sources including local gun clubs. My own offers marksmanship and safety training to families as well as NRA education programs. I am a certified instructor for those programs.

I oppose any laws which force specific storage solutions upon gun owners. These violate your right to bear arms and ultimately your freedom.

At no time is a gun owner relieved of the responsibility to properly secure and store firearm so that minors and unqualified adults cannot access them, or to educate minors in their care on firearm safety. There are adequate solutions for keeping firearms secured while in active use. These include quick access lock boxes using pushbutton or fingerprint access systems. Firearm safety education is available.

Anyone with access to a firearm needs to have safety training and demonstrate competence in handling a firearm. Again, this is a gun owner's responsibility - but I would oppose any law that imposes legal requirements and jeopardy in this area.

My father taught me.
An USA Military Academy alumni taught my son.
If those meet your definition of "safety training", I agree with you.
If that training doesn't meet your definition, please explain yourself because you sound like an anti-gunner.

 

[WAndersonMD]

I have no idea, how I am automatically guilty of not “keep the interest of firearms, broad and inclusive” 🤷‍♂️ As a Constitutionally protected Right, just how much more “broad and inclusive” can it possibly be?

I understand that we come from a different world view. I’m just a poor Preachers kid, who has had to build my world, single handedly, while you, being a highly paid professional, have lived as an elitist protected class. BUT, Man, how in the world is my working to provide for and raise a conservative hard working child, automatically assigning to me, the education and enlightening of leftist fools?

Ah, you make my point. My parents were both - both - blue collar workers trying to make ends meet. I was literally homeless my first year of med school, living in the back of a $100 dollar pickup truck and cooking on a Coleman stove. Worked my own way through every year of college - washing dishes at VA hospital, National Guard NCO in SF, orderly in a hospital. During PA school I lived in a Civil War shack splitting rent with two other people - we each paid $15/mo for an unheated house with gaps in the walls, a rusting roof, no running water. We had chickens for eggs, and we gardened vegetables. Hauled drinking water from a gas station in old gallon milk jugs. Cut firewood with an axe, until we got a used chainsaw. Micanopy, FL.
You know so little about me yet feel privileged to make assumptions about my background.

 

[TerminalSigness]

Ah, you make my point. My parents were both - both - blue collar workers trying to make ends meet. I was literally homeless my first year of med school, living in the back of a $100 dollar pickup truck and cooking on a Coleman stove. Worked my own way through every year of college - washing dishes at VA hospital, National Guard NCO in SF, orderly in a hospital. During PA school I lived in a Civil War shack splitting rent with two other people - we each paid $15/mo for an unheated house with gaps in the walls, a rusting roof, no running water. We had chickens for eggs, and we gardened vegetables. Hauled drinking water from a gas station in old gallon milk jugs. Cut firewood with an axe, until we got a used chainsaw. Micanopy, FL.
You know so little about me yet feel privileged to make assumptions about my background.

Up hill, both ways. 😂🤣

 

[WAndersonMD]

Ah, you make my point. My parents were both - both - blue collar workers trying to make ends meet. I was literally homeless my first year of med school, living in the back of a $100 dollar pickup truck and cooking on a Coleman stove. Worked my own way through every year of college - washing dishes at VA hospital, National Guard NCO in SF, orderly in a hospital. During PA school I lived in a Civil War shack splitting rent with two other people - we each paid $15/mo for an unheated house with gaps in the walls, a rusting roof, no running water. We had chickens for eggs, and we gardened vegetables. Hauled drinking water from a gas station in old gallon milk jugs. Cut firewood with an axe, until we got a used chainsaw. Micanopy, FL.
And, I might add, shot twice in an ambush in Iraq in 2003. Killed the bad guy and took care of the other members of the team, all wounded. Bronze Star w/ V, Purple Heart, two more BSMs. But yes, compared to some, an easy and privileged life. Privileged to serve.
You know so little about me yet feel privileged to make assumptions about my background.

 

[Gunfighterman]

My friend had five guns safes stolen from his house ... no they weren't bolted down... (wonder how many really are?). The safes were found on a riverbank two states away ... empty. Just when you thought your safe was safe ...huh.

I keep three loaded handguns at all times, one on each floor. I'm never too far away from one. No children in my home ever. I don't need any government made up of career politicians. well-dressed criminals and bartenders telling me how to conduct my personal or home defense. Just one of the perks for living here in Gun World ... our state respects the rights of all law-abiding citizens to "keep and bear arms" without looking over everyone's shoulder.

TOUCHE'

 

[Jason James]

I'll weigh in with my recent personal experience with a nearly 2 year old boy in the house that I love more than anything.

I have an assortment of carry guns like we all do. When he reached mobility, they were always locked up or on my person, no exceptions. Good right? Well not quite.

The various safes/lock boxes I have, what if I forgot to lock them? Well that question gave me enough anxiety that I changed my system. I would be at work and in the middle of a meeting or driving and terrible thoughts would come into my head. I'd have to call and ask my wife to confirm they were indeed locked. Well I couldn't take the anxiety anymore so I removed the chambered round from all guns but my P365 which is my carry 90% of the time and with me when I'm not home. This added a layer of security to my system that if somehow I forgot to lock the apparatus or the lock failed, a trigger pull wouldn't do anything. I don't see racking the slide as realistic at his age.

So comfort levels vary. I realized that I can't have chambered guns in the house when I'm not home, even when locked. When he's old enough to know guns, that will change, but for right now when everything is a toy to be explored, it's my system.

I also unchamber my cc anytime my grandkids come over or l go there. Also unchamber my nightstand gun which is in a electronic box. In case miraculously the push button code gets pressed. Better safe than sorry and it eases my mind.

 

[LEEEAGLE]

After nearly 2 years, my P229 was locked in my safe for the first time today! We were blessed with a visit from some friends from AZ that brought their children, 4 and 6yo daughters and brand new 3 week son! I honestly can't remember the last time the house was empty of firearms, and full of the future !

 

[TerminalSigness]

Excellent deflection, without answering the questions. 👍